Pedophilia - The Next Taboo To Fall?

[Mountain Man]

The only reasons against that I can see, are religious ones. Objections based on reason can always be undermined. There are doubtless excellent reasons to revive Nazism, genocide and all - that is not, at present, socially acceptable, so people don't attempt it. There is no cruelty, no perversity of body or soul, no form of evil or inhumanity, that cannot be justified on some plea, with at least some show of reason. Only something far stronger than reason can overcome the plausible arguments offered by reason. The problem then is, that in a multicultural society arguments based on religion convince only those of the same or a similar religion - those who have a different or no religion, won't be convinced.

This reminds me of one of my favorite quotes from Doctor Who when the Doctor's companion stated that her reasoning couldn't be disputed because it was logical. The Doctor responded, "Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority."

[Mountain Man]

Have any of the advocates of this cited one study in support of it working?

Has anyone cited one study against it working?

Yes.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post355795

[rogue06]

There's really not any direct research either way, which is why I wanted to discuss it as thought experiment

What about the 2008 study conducted at the University of Ottawa that found that child molesters who view kiddie porn have a higher rate of recidivism: Pornography use and sexual aggression: the impact of frequency and type of pornography use on recidivism among sexual offenders?

Another Canadian study, this time from 2005, also suggest a link to viewing kiddie porn and committing acts of sexual abuse against minors: The criminal histories and later offending of child pornography offenders.

According to your theory it should instead act as a safety valve but this indicates that it has the exact opposite effect. This has also been confirmed by a 2007 study by Federal Bureau of Prisons at the Federal Correctional Institution in Butner, North Carolina which revealed that 85% of those caught viewing kiddie porn on the internet had also molested children. This confirms the results of another study conducted around the same time by doctors at the Mayo Clinic that found that 76% of those arrested for viewing kiddie porn on the internet had molested a child.

[seer]

I vote for castration as a cure...

[rogue06]

I vote for castration as a cure...

Won't work for women who sexually abuse children.

[Mountain Man]

I vote for castration as a cure...

A castrated pedophile is still capable of hurting children.

I think the only answer is to remove him from society, either through a lifetime jail sentence or the death penalty.

[seer]

I think the only answer is to remove him from society, either through a lifetime jail sentence or the death penalty.

You get no argument from me.

[The Thinker]

There are a lot of things not specifically mentioned in the Bible because it was considered self-evident or common sense. So much for the claim that

Be careful there or you'll get bowled over by those goalposts you're moving.

So wait, you're saying it was common sense that men cannot marry young girls, and so Yahweh need not mention it, but how does that make sense when marrying young girls existed back then and Yahweh never speaks against it?

[The Thinker]

Yes relative moral views that change with the winds of culture...

Yeah, it's much better to ground your moral views in ancient Israel where slavery, indentured servitude, child marriage, killing adulterers and gays, and blasphemy laws were legal.


Sounds a lot like modern day ISIS actually.

[rogue06]

So wait, you're saying it was common sense that men cannot marry young girls, and so Yahweh need not mention it, but how does that make sense when marrying young girls existed back then and Yahweh never speaks against it?

Usually by males around the same age. And often they were betrothed for a couple years and didn't consummate it until later. There are entire threads on this topic.

[Catholicity]

A castrated pedophile is still capable of hurting children.

I think the only answer is to remove him from society, either through a lifetime jail sentence or the death penalty.

Actually where you see the lowest rates of recidivism in pedophilia is from chemical castration because they are required to see both a counselor and a psychiatrist.

[Leonhard]

I vote for castration as a cure...

Any particular reason for an orchiectomy over just giving the person antiandrogens? I don't see a reason to cut away healthy tissue if there's no reason. I don't see why they couldn't be granted this voluntarily, forcing it upon them however is a bit of a gross issue morally.

As a treatment there is good evidence that it works very well at reducing recidivism. Its done in Denmark, though its a fully voluntary process done to people who are afraid that they might fall back into old habits. I don't know how many countries did it on people against their will, save for Nazi Germany of course. The Impact of Surgical Castration on Sexual Recidivism Risk Among Sexually Violent Predatory Offenders

[seer]

Any particular reason for an orchiectomy over just giving the person antiandrogens? I don't see a reason to cut away healthy tissue if there's no reason. I don't see why they couldn't be granted this voluntarily, forcing it upon them however is a bit of a gross issue morally.

To be honest Leonhard, if a man rapes a child I favor a quick execution.

[lilpixieofterror]

Usually by males around the same age. And often they were betrothed for a couple years and didn't consummate it until later. There are entire threads on this topic.

Why would non thinker actually read a book when he has a talking point he can use to attack Christianity with?

[Terraceth]

What about the 2008 study conducted at the University of Ottawa that found that child molesters who view kiddie porn have a higher rate of recidivism: Pornography use and sexual aggression: the impact of frequency and type of pornography use on recidivism among sexual offenders?

All right, that one is interesting.

Another Canadian study, this time from 2005, also suggest a link to viewing kiddie porn and committing acts of sexual abuse against minors: The criminal histories and later offending of child pornography offenders.

According to your theory it should instead act as a safety valve but this indicates that it has the exact opposite effect. This has also been confirmed by a 2007 study by Federal Bureau of Prisons at the Federal Correctional Institution in Butner, North Carolina which revealed that 85% of those caught viewing kiddie porn on the internet had also molested children. This confirms the results of another study conducted around the same time by doctors at the Mayo Clinic that found that 76% of those arrested for viewing kiddie porn on the internet had molested a child.

These two, however, don't really mean anything. The question was whether watching child pornography would reduce a pedophile's odds of molestation; all these studies show is that people who watch pornography are likely to molest someone. One might as well conclude that inhalers cause asthma because a very high percentage of people who have asthma use inhalers. You need to compare the rate at which pedophiles who watch it and the pedophiles who don't watch it molest children and see which is higher for it to have any meaning, which to be fair the first study did attempt to do.

(note: In case my word choice is confusing, "pedophile" is simply someone who has an attraction to children. It's only the molesters that actually act on it and are the problematic ones)