Are Trump Supporters Dumber?

[seanD]

Trump had name recognition and press. Bernie didn't.

A lot of that came from those two things.

No, Trump had as much name recognition as Sanders. Sanders didn't have anywhere near the press... but so what? The press Trump got was all negative all the time, from both political camps.

[Jaecp]

No, Trump had as much name recognition as Sanders. Sanders didn't have anywhere near the press... but so what? The press Trump got was all negative all the time, from both political camps.

WHAT?

Trump is a well known celebrity with multiple TV shows on network TV, a bestselling book and had a ton of name recognition from being the de fecto leader of the birthers. Oh, and that is just scratching the surface.

As for press, you're being hyperbolic about how negative all the press was. "All negative all the time" is just inaccurate. Nevermind that all press is good press

[seanD]

WHAT?

Trump is a well known celebrity with multiple TV shows on network TV, a bestselling book and had a ton of name recognition from being the de fecto leader of the birthers. Oh, and that is just scratching the surface.

As for press, you're being hyperbolic about how negative all the press was. "All negative all the time" is just inaccurate. Nevermind that all press is good press

I can be hyperbolic, but in this case, I'm not being hyperbolic at all. You agree that the press coverage he got was insane. I don't know of one positive thing that was said about him in the coverage. The negativity was over-the-top from both camps. The fact he was famous as a celebrity didn't help his case at all, nor does it help your argument at all. That he was a celebrity worked against him because no one took him seriously as a politician. That's still the number one argument against him to this day; that he isn't qualified.

[Jaecp]

It doesn't need to help his case for why he'd be a good president. Name recognition matters. It simply does. That you said "No, Trump had as much name recognition as Sanders" is, easily, the most wrong headed, easy to dispute statement I've seen in recent memory. The dude initially polled at 3%. It took him months to get above Biden who never actually campaigned.

As for publicity, Trump got great press when he was actually on a program. Fox and Friends in particular was his second home.

Never mind that the entire cultural impact of Fox News has been that if the liberal media is attacking someone on the right it's going to push a certain kind of people toward that candidate.

[demi-conservative]

Apparently [African Americans] have a known tendency to be politically underinformed and to vote as a group based on who church networks tell them to vote for

It was the African American vote that won it for her. She got upwards of 80% of their vote in some states IIRC...

her supporters are lombomized simpletons. She literally talks like she's talking to children because she basically is.

I can agree with this part.

Together, everyone!!

That's RACIST!!!

[Starlight]

That's RACIST!!!

Equally lobotomised are the white voters in poor/red states who are concerned about jobs and the economy and then vote Republican.

People actively voting against their own goals out of sheer ignorance makes me despair of the value of democracy. Few people have done as much policy-wise to hurt blacks as the Clintons (tough on crime leading to massive incarnation of blacks and fatherless families, welfare reform cutting support hugely for black families, wall st deregulation leading to blacks losing half their net worth in the financial crisis etc). And few have done as much policy-wise to destroy jobs and the economy and the middle class in the US as the Republicans. Yet the oppressed voting for their oppressors seems to be a thing.

[Sparko]

I wouldn't know if Trump supporter statistically are dumber, but I certainly feel dumber after watching the man speak. I have to rinse my brain.

I have to agree. His speeches are just sound bites strung together. But then I just watched Hillary give a speech. It was worse. And the lies just spewed from her mouth with a smug smile. Made me ill to watch.

[demi-conservative]

Equally lobotomised are the white voters in poor/red states who are concerned about jobs and the economy and then vote Republican.

People actively voting against their own goals out of sheer ignorance makes me despair of the value of democracy. Few people have done as much policy-wise to hurt blacks as the Clintons (tough on crime leading to massive incarnation of blacks and fatherless families, welfare reform cutting support hugely for black families, wall st deregulation leading to blacks losing half their net worth in the financial crisis etc). And few have done as much policy-wise to destroy jobs and the economy and the middle class in the US as the Republicans. Yet the oppressed voting for their oppressors seems to be a thing.

Must say I no expect you to double down on your racism!!

[Sparko]

Or it means that the Republicans in the US have for too long now pandered downwards and played on anti-intellectualism, disenfranchising a whole generation of college students. Go back to the fifties and sixties, if you were in college you'd tend to become a conservative fiscally. In Denmark its much the same.

However I'm not sure I'd vote conservative if I lived in the US. The only issue I could support there is anti-abortion, and protection of religious freedom, however the Republican party has shown that its willing to say words to that effect but not really do anything when the rubber hits the road.

in the 50's yeah, because the whole country was conservative. 60's? LOL. Hippies. Flower Children. Not exactly conservatives. The colleges became the refuge for the liberals to keep out of the draft. Now those same liberals and their moonchildren are the very "establishment" that they fought against, and are the teachers in those colleges, brainwashing a whole new generation.

[One Bad Pig]

Nah, her lobotomized liberal progressive supporters chose her.

Nope. The progressives much preferred Sanders.

The reason they didn't get away with the shenanigans against Trump they pulled with Hillary (and we all know they would have LOVED to have tried) is because Trump's victories were lopsided victories for the most part. It was close enough between Hillary and Sanders that the bullcrap that was pulled couldn't really be proven as definitively.

I have no idea what you're going on about here. Trump's victories were far from lopsided; it wasn't until most of his opponents had dropped out that he started winning more than 50% of the votes cast.

And by the way, she gets away with playing dumb with her absurd juvenile comments like wiping her hard drive with a cloth because her supporters are lombomized simpletons. She literally talks like she's talking to children because she basically is.

She doesn't especially get away with it. Two thirds of those polled say that she's untrustworthy. And calling her supporters "lobotomized simpletons" is uncalled for.

[seanD]

Nope. The progressives much preferred Sanders.

Nope. Hillary won, self-evident they preferred her over Sanders.

I have no idea what you're going on about here. Trump's victories were far from lopsided; it wasn't until most of his opponents had dropped out that he started winning more than 50% of the votes cast.

Not sure what you're on about. They dropped out because they knew they didn't have a chance.

She doesn't especially get away with it. Two thirds of those polled say that she's untrustworthy. And calling her supporters "lobotomized simpletons" is uncalled for.

And yet she's in the final race, and according to certain polls, beating Trump or in a dead heat thus showing her supporters to be that much more lobotomized simpletons in support of someone they presumably find untrustworthy.

[Jaecp]

Nope. Hillary won, self-evident they preferred her over Sanders.

Are you drunk or something? You can be Democrat without being a progressive. Hell, you can be a Democrat and be a moderate, or even conservative in some cases.

And yet she's in the final race, and according to certain polls, beating Trump or in a dead heat :shrugs: thus making her supporters even more lobotomized simpletons voting for someone they presumably find untrustworthy.

Now if everyone voted then national polls about her trustworthiness would matter but when the set is of people who voted in the Democratic primary, which she barely won, your point is lost.

[seanD]

Are you drunk or something? You can be Democrat without being a progressive. Hell, you can be a Democrat and be a moderate, or even conservative in some cases.

Yeah, okay

[One Bad Pig]

Yeah, okay

Dude, you've managed to get me and Jaecp on more or less the same page in a political discussion. I wasn't sure that was possible.

[Jaecp]

Dude, you've managed to get me and Jaecp on more or less the same page in a political discussion. I wasn't sure that was possible.

I mean, you like facts, right? I like facts. We have a ton in common besides the Navy!