#BlackLivesMatter... Black Queer Youth .... Getting Weirder and Weirder

[Cow Poke]

-By calling attention to Ferguson, they forced the Department of Justice to investigate the town's police department.

Do you HONESTLY believe that Obama's DoJ wasn't going to do this investigation anyway? What proof do you have that BLM "forced" Obama's DoJ to step in?

And, are you totally comfortable with the fact that this was all built on the "hands up - don't shoot" lie?

[fm93]

Do you HONESTLY believe that Obama's DoJ wasn't going to do this investigation anyway? What proof do you have that BLM "forced" Obama's DoJ to step in?

Black Lives Matter existed before the Ferguson incident, but the protests they led as early as that same day skyrocketed the slogan into national consciousness. Michael Brown wasn't the first unarmed black citizen to be killed by a cop, but the Black Lives Matter protests helped make the incident as widely covered as it was. By heading to Ferguson and relaying what happened during the protests, they brought to light disturbing cop behavior such as using tear gas and trying to stop media from covering the event.

It's possible that the DOJ might have investigated Ferguson anyway, but I do think Black Lives Matter at least spurred their decision.

And, are you totally comfortable with the fact that this was all built on the "hands up - don't shoot" lie?

Well, seeing as Black Lives Matter existed before the Ferguson shooting, it's not true that it was all built on "Hands up, don't shoot." Also, I don't believe that was a lie so much as a misconception--even the cop acknowledged that Brown's hands did go up at some point during their interaction; it's not surprising that some witnesses misremembered the context in the heat of the moment.

But even if the movement did come into existence entirely due to the "hands up, don't shoot" claim, how is that relevant? It remains an utmost truth that the lives of black people do matter. And since Ferguson, they've protested incidents in which cops clearly were in the wrong.

And IIRC, one of the key issues that sparked the activists to action was the fact that Ferguson police left Brown's body to decompose on the streets for four hours.

[Cow Poke]

Black Lives Matter existed before the Ferguson incident,

Yeah, they did. Kinda.

but the protests they led as early as that same day skyrocketed the slogan into national consciousness. Michael Brown wasn't the first unarmed black citizen to be killed by a cop, but the Black Lives Matter protests helped make the incident as widely covered as it was. By heading to Ferguson and relaying what happened during the protests, they brought to light disturbing cop behavior such as using tear gas and trying to stop media from covering the event.

It's possible that the DOJ might have investigated Ferguson anyway, but I do think Black Lives Matter at least spurred their decision.

It's only your extreme leftist views that could support that -- even BLM's own website doesn't claim any credit for the DoJ investigating Ferguson. I think it's just GOOFY to assume that Obama's DoJ wasn't going to investigate until BLM pitched their hissies.

Well, seeing as Black Lives Matter existed before the Ferguson shooting, it's not true that it was all built on "Hands up, don't shoot."

The response to Ferguson was - and it was based on a total fabrication. Even the witnesses who first claimed that admitted they lied to the grand jury.

Also, I don't believe that was a lie so much as a misconception--even the cop acknowledged that Brown's hands did go up at some point during their interaction; it's not surprising that some witnesses misremembered the context in the heat of the moment.

"The first reports from the field are always wrong". Everything SUBSEQUENT shows that it never happened, yet you liberals perpetuate the lie.

But even if the movement did come into existence entirely due to the "hands up, don't shoot" claim, how is that relevant? It remains an utmost truth that the lives of black people do matter. And since Ferguson, they've protested incidents in which cops clearly were in the wrong.

And IIRC, one of the key issues that sparked the activists to action was the fact that Ferguson police left Brown's body to decompose on the streets for four hours.

All your kabuki dancing aside, you have yet to provide even a TINY bit of proof to support your goofy claim that BLM "forced the Department of Justice to investigate the town's police department".

How bout just admitting you made that up?

[fm93]

It's only your extreme leftist views

My "extreme leftist" views like being opposed to abortion, being perfectly fine with references to God in classrooms, not wanting to buy back guns, not supporting affirmative action, and not supporting long-term welfare?

I sometimes wonder if some commenters think anything that isn't explicitly conservative is "extreme leftism."

Anyhow, as a matter of fact, I have since come across conflicting information from what I had heard (it appears that I received misleading information. I did NOT "make it up"), so I will drop the argument about the DOJ. That said:

1. Black Lives Matter did help draw attention to the aforementioned disturbing police behavior during the incident and aftermath, and

I think it's just GOOFY to assume that Obama's DoJ wasn't going to investigate until BLM pitched their hissies.

Protesting a case in which a cop may have murdered an innocent citizen should never be described as "hissy." At worst, you could say they jumped to conclusions in that instance, but the emotion and tone of their response are 100% understandable.

Your attitude is a perfect example of why activists feel that black lives aren't being treated like they matter. They're worried that their fellow black Americans have been unjustly killed, and you accuse them of "pitching hissies."

"The first reports from the field are always wrong". Everything SUBSEQUENT shows that it never happened, yet you liberals perpetuate the lie.

*I* am not going around claiming that Brown had his hands up in surrender.

[fm93]

I will never mock a movement whose core philosophy is simply that black people's lives matter.

I will criticize individuals affiliated with the movement if they behave hypocritically or take things too far. I may even wish that the movement undergoes substantial reform. But I can never criticize the message.

Black lives matter. And I don't ever want people to feel that they don't.

[Adam]

I'm ostracized in this forum for being too Leftist, yet I always object to your posts as too Leftist.
Maybe I just don't understand you, fm93. If so, disregard most of my amens to your opponents.

[fm93]

I'm ostracized in this forum for being too Leftist, yet I always object to your posts as too Leftist.
Maybe I just don't understand you, fm93. If so, disregard most of my amens to your opponents.

I mean, I really don't think my views are "extremely" leftist*, and some are even right-leaning. Perhaps I've created a misleading impression by primarily arguing against right-wing posts in the political threads. But I'd say that's because most posters here are right-wing; there aren't too many left-wing posters for me to disagree with.

But if you can point me to any posts in which you think I'm endorsing "extremely leftist" views, I'd be happy to discuss and clarify them to whatever extent needed.


*When I think of "extremely leftist" views, I think of things like calls for government reparations, support for socialism, support for abortion in all cases, gun buybacks, etc. But I don't support any of those things.

[seanD]

I mean, I really don't think my views are "extremely" leftist*, and some are even right-leaning.

You're more left than Starlight, and that's saying something.

[fm93]

You're more left than Starlight, and that's saying something.

I'm pro-life, but I'm more left than the guy who's fine with after-birth abortions?

Seriously, what have I said that you consider to be "extremely leftist?" Please show me where I said them and why you consider them to be "extremely" left, instead of, say, moderately left (or any degree of left at all).

[seanD]

I'm pro-life, but I'm more left than the guy who's fine with after-birth abortions?

Seriously, what have I said that you consider to be "extremely leftist?" Please show me where I said them and why you consider them to be "extremely" left, instead of, say, moderately left (or any degree of left at all).

I don't really consider the matter of abortion a political debate. It's a moral debate. After-birth abortion would fall into the category of whether one is deranged or not. He's more likely just more deranged than you.

[Adam]

Maybe, fm93,
You ARE more Leftist than Starlight.
I "amen" Starlight time and again, can hardly remember giving you an amen. Again, I may just have pigeon-holed you as Leftist when you're really not.
And yes, it's quite easy to feel justified opposing the general lot here of Rightists.

[fm93]

I don't really consider the matter of abortion a political debate. It's a moral debate. After-birth abortion would fall into the category of whether one is deranged or not. He's more likely just more deranged than you.

For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

I'm flattered.

But anyway, seriously--what have I said that you consider to be "extremely" left?

Maybe, fm93,
You ARE more Leftist than Starlight.
I "amen" Starlight time and again, can hardly remember giving you an amen. Again, I may just have pigeon-holed you as Leftist when you're really not.
And yes, it's quite easy to feel justified opposing the general lot here of Rightists.

Well, if you really believe that, then I'd like to see what I've said that you consider being "extremely" leftist, as opposed to moderately leftist.

[Cow Poke]

My "extreme leftist" views like being opposed to abortion, being perfectly fine with references to God in classrooms, not wanting to buy back guns, not supporting affirmative action, and not supporting long-term welfare?

Even a blind hog can find an acorn occasionally.

I sometimes wonder if some commenters think anything that isn't explicitly conservative is "extreme leftism."

Well, it may have to do with you supporting people like Hillary who are exactly opposite of the conservative values you claim you hold.

Anyhow, as a matter of fact, I have since come across conflicting information from what I had heard (it appears that I received misleading information. I did NOT "make it up"), so I will drop the argument about the DOJ. That said:

See - that's a case in point --- you ASSUMED that because it's your "bent".... it appears to be prevalent in the circles in which you run.

1. Black Lives Matter did help draw attention to the aforementioned disturbing police behavior during the incident and aftermath, and

Horsehockey - they acted like a bunch of thugs and punks. It would have been more honorable of you if you had just stopped at "I was wrong".

Protesting a case in which a cop may have murdered an innocent citizen should never be described as "hissy."

But this was NOT a case where a cop murdered an innocent citizen, so it WAS a "hissy". You liberals just jumped to conclusions absent fact. It's a pattern.

At worst, you could say they jumped to conclusions in that instance, but the emotion and tone of their response are 100% understandable.

I bet you're going to defend the arson and destruction of innocent people's property - including the property and business of other minorities - as "understandable". No, it's NOT understandable - it's anarchy.

Your attitude is a perfect example of why activists feel that black lives aren't being treated like they matter.

I think if you were here, I'd have to punch your lights out, then ask the Good Lord for forgiveness*. I don't TALK the talk, I walk the walk - I'm involved in the lives of minorities on a regular basis, including classes for them in my church on job hunting and things like that --- while you liberals TALK a good (:cough:) talk, some of as are actually DOING things that matter.

They're worried that their fellow black Americans have been unjustly killed, and you accuse them of "pitching hissies."

And liberals like you are too blind to see that the vast majority of these black Americans are being killed by other black Americans, you hissy pitcher. Maybe if some of you liberals would be more honest about this, instead of trying to stroke their egos and just to get their votes

*I* am not going around claiming that Brown had his hands up in surrender.

Good for you! You ARE, however, defending a bunch of thugs and punks because it makes you "feel good". THREE TIMES last month, my son-in-law (police sergent) had to deal with your BLM buddies jumping out of cars he stopped, yelling "Shoot me, you !@#$!#^! pig!" THESE are the kinds of heroes you have.




*I would not punch fm's lights out.

[Cow Poke]

I will never mock a movement whose core philosophy is simply that black people's lives matter.

Wow.... I bet that gives you the warm fuzzies.

I will criticize individuals affiliated with the movement if they behave hypocritically or take things too far. I may even wish that the movement undergoes substantial reform. But I can never criticize the message.

When the "movement" BECOMES anarchy, somebody needs to have the courage and decency to say so.

Black lives matter.

ALL lives matter. And Black lives killed by other Black lives matter! WAY more blacks are killed by other blacks than by white cops.

And I don't ever want people to feel that they don't.

Yeah, cause it's all about feelings.


ALL lives matter. Red and yellow, black and white..... ALL lives.

[Cow Poke]

I'm ostracized in this forum for being too Leftist,

Not by ME! I still haven't figured you out!