And You Wonder Why We Like Trump:

[seer]

They are vetted now, and that vetting will be more intensive in the future. That is not what Trump is proposing, and not a rational reason to support him.

That is false the Syrians are not vetted. They are only questioned (and people lie). We at present can not get any official documentation concerning their past affiliations or practices which what is needed.

Let me quote the liberal Huffington Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abraha...b_8593438.html

The fact is Shuny, when it comes to Syrians refuges we have no idea who we are letting in.

[Leonhard]

Actually I still wonder why you like Trump.

[seer]

Actually I still wonder why you like Trump.

He is a man!

[shunyadragon]

He is a man!

Is this verified on his birth certificate, and DNA analysis? If that qualifies him to be president, those qualifying for president number more than 60,000,000, in your limited view. Unfortunately your not including women, the rest of the adult population of the USA.

[shunyadragon]

That is false the Syrians are not vetted. They are only questioned (and people lie). We at present can not get any official documentation concerning their past affiliations or practices which what is needed.

Let me quote the liberal Huffington Post:



The fact is Shuny, when it comes to Syrians refuges we have no idea who we are letting in.

We do not have any idea about millions of citizens either. This is population where vy far most terrorists come from, not foreign countries.

[seer]

We do not have any idea about millions of citizens either. This is population where vy far most terrorists come from, not foreign countries.

You are not making sense, we certainly do have criminal records or Intel on possible problem makers. We have no such information on these Syrians. And if we have homegrown nut jobs why take the chance and import more?

[shunyadragon]

You are not making sense, we certainly do have criminal records or Intel on possible problem makers. We have no such information on these Syrians. And if we have homegrown nut jobs why take the chance and import more?

Most of those who have commited acts of terrorism in recent years have no such records.

[fm93]

That is false the Syrians are not vetted. They are only questioned (and people lie). We at present can not get any official documentation concerning their past affiliations or practices which what is needed.

Let me quote the liberal Huffington Post:



The fact is Shuny, when it comes to Syrians refuges we have no idea who we are letting in.

That is absolutely false.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015...-united-states

[Leonhard]

He is a man!

[seer]

That is absolutely false.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015...-united-states

Pure BS, most of that can not be verified when it comes to Syrian refuges. Most don't have the necessary documents, or any document at all. And there is no way to verify that the documents are genuine even if they did since we can not confirm them through their home country. So what you are left with is cataloging their finger prints and doing verbal interviews to get birthdays, place of birth, names,etc... Fingerprints would be useless since we can not cross reference them to any illegal activity in said home country. Never mind the fact that we don't have the finger prints of the vast majority of terrorists or would-be terrorists.

[seer]

Ok, have it your way...

[fm93]

Most don't have the necessary documents, or any document at all.

Those who don't have documents won't be accepted. I guess you missed the big text that said less than 1% of the global refugee population moves forward after step 1 and "If there is doubt about whether an applicant poses a security risk, they will not be admitted." Even if nothing else was done after this, that figure alone drastically reduces the chances of terrorists making their way in.

And there is no way to verify that the documents are genuine even if they did since we can not confirm them through their home country.

Once again: "If there is doubt about whether an applicant poses a security risk, they will not be admitted."

So what you are left with is cataloging their finger prints and doing verbal interviews to get birthdays, place of birth, names,etc...

Not true, as explained above.

Fingerprints would be useless since we can not cross reference them to any illegal activity in said home country. Never mind the fact that we don't have the finger prints of the vast majority of terrorists or would-be terrorists.

Again, not true. The Department of Homeland Security cross-checks data with the State Department, FBI, and National Counterterrorism Center/Intelligence Community, which combine to have extensive data on terrorists. Additionally, the Department of Defense has a database that includes fingerprint records taken in Iraq and other countries.

And finally, let me repeat these words:
-Step 1: "Only applicants who are strong candidates for resettlement move forward (less than 1% of global refugee population)."
-"If there is doubt about whether an applicant poses a security risk, they will not be admitted."

[seer]

Those who don't have documents won't be accepted. I guess you missed the big text that said less than 1% of the global refugee population moves forward after step 1 and "If there is doubt about whether an applicant poses a security risk, they will not be admitted." Even if nothing else was done after this, that figure alone drastically reduces the chances of terrorists making their way in.

Tell me FM, how do you verify that those documents are accurate or correct if they can not confirm them with the home country? And were does it say that those without identifying documents would not be let in? It says that they are asked for, but not that there is a requirement.

Again, not true. The Department of Homeland Security cross-checks data with the State Department, FBI, and National Counterterrorism Center/Intelligence Community, which combine to have extensive data on terrorists. Additionally, the Department of Defense has a database that includes fingerprint records taken in Iraq and other countries.

Again nonsense. There is no way that you have the finger prints of terrorists or would-be terrorists from Syria.

[fm93]

Tell me FM, how do you verify that those documents are accurate or correct if they can not confirm them with the home country?

They CAN confirm them with the home country, as has already been noted.

And were does it say that those without identifying documents would not be let in? It says that they are asked for, but not that there is a requirement.

If the official step-by-step explanation of how refugee screenings are conducted specifically says "Collects identifying documents," then it is a requirement. These are the steps that they conduct for all refugees being considered for US resettlement.

Again nonsense. There is no way that you have the finger prints of terrorists or would-be terrorists from Syria.

The White House specifically says that their fellow agencies do have fingerprints of terrorists, and your response is literally nothing more than "nuh uh!" You're unbelievable, and not in a good way.


I'm not going to bother arguing this with you any more. You apparently can't accept the clear fact that Donald either is lying or is unforgivably ignorant. I can only conclude that you "like him" because you like dishonest and/or ignorant fearmongerers.

One last time, before I leave this conversation for good:
-Only applicants who are strong candidates for resettlement move forward (less than 1% of global refugee population).
-If there is doubt about whether an applicant poses a security risk, they will not be admitted.

[seer]

They CAN confirm them with the home country, as has already been noted.

That is not said anywhere, please show me exactly where. And their home country is a failed state. Besides, why would Syria cooperate with us who are trying to depose their leader? That is just irrational.

If the official step-by-step explanation of how refugee screenings are conducted specifically says "Collects identifying documents," then it is a requirement. These are the steps that they conduct for all refugees being considered for US resettlement.

It doesn't say that they are a requirement - period. And in the Jeh Johnson video where he explains how they are vetted he does not even mention documents!

https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015...-process-looks

The White House specifically says that their fellow agencies do have fingerprints of terrorists, and your response is literally nothing more than "nuh uh!" You're unbelievable, and not in a good way.

You are simply being irrational again, they is no way they have a fraction of the terrorists' or would-be terrorists' finger prints from Syria.

Only applicants who are strong candidates for resettlement move forward (less than 1% of global refugee population).
-If there is doubt about whether an applicant poses a security risk, they will not be admitted.

There is no reason for any of them to come here. We need to shelter them in place until they can return to their home country.