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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by phank View PostEinsteins' birthday IS celebrated at Princeton.
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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostWhich is much more important.
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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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IIRC, the purpose of this forum is supposedly to discuss science, e.g., the science of the history of Earth, the Solar System, and the Universe. Chuck Darwin contributed greatly to biological science. If the UK wants to have a special day for him, so be it. And I re-reiterate that whatever kind of human being Darwin was (and he was a very good one!), the results of his investigations revolutionized biology. They didn't "prove" atheism anymore than Kepler's or Newton's did. If certain atheists what to use his work to bolster their philosophy, so be it.
So, it's ok for us to yimmer-yammer about whether there should be a Darwin Day or a Newton Day or a Marconi Day or a George McCready Price Day. It doesn't make a jot or tittle's worth of difference to the quality, or lack of the same, of their scientific work. Using Darwin-bashing as an argument against biological evolution could fill a chapter in a dissertation on logical fallacies.
Also wiederhole ich, "Big Deal".
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Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View PostUnless you believe in a literal and inerrant Bible. Then it's 3.000%
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI've always felt that could be explained by the diameter of the basin being measured on the inside whereas the circumference being measured along the outside. Or the number could have just been rounded off.
What's great about literalism is that one can always fangle the text so it works.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI've always felt that could be explained by the diameter of the basin being measured on the inside whereas the circumference being measured along the outside. Or the number could have just been rounded off.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI've always felt that could be explained by the diameter of the basin being measured on the inside whereas the circumference being measured along the outside. Or the number could have just been rounded off.
Even more fundamentally, pi does not exist in the real world. It exists only on a Euclidean plane, which cannot exist anywhere in our universe. Even the most minute speck of matter warps space enough to prevent any surface from being truly flat.
More, we know the actual value of pi.
pi = 4 (1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + 1/9 - 1/11 + ...)
That's not approximate. That's exact. A thousand, million, billion, trillion, quadrillion ... decimal places worth of exact digits. We can do that in mathematics. We can have exact answers. Because we're not constrained by any features of the real world. But in the real world, there was this fellow named Heisenberg, famous for a lot of things, but especially for showing us that exact answers cannot exist in reality. Of this uncertainty we can be certain.
So take your grubby paws out of our circles, or I'll summon up Archimedes ghost to haunt you throughout eternity.
As ever, Jesse
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostNo. Just no. You could figure it's wrong merely from its origins with apologists. Those who begin with their wanted conclusion will only by accident get their arguments right. Why would anyone measure the diameter and circumference differently? Ad hoc, and stir. More, the passage speaks of a basin "rounded all about," not "perfectly round." For that reason alone, there's no reason to drag pi into the discussion. We've no reason to believe the "sea" was even circular. Rounded edges do not a circle prove.
Even more fundamentally, pi does not exist in the real world. It exists only on a Euclidean plane, which cannot exist anywhere in our universe. Even the most minute speck of matter warps space enough to prevent any surface from being truly flat.
More, we know the actual value of pi.
pi = 4 (1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + 1/9 - 1/11 + ...)
That's not approximate. That's exact. A thousand, million, billion, trillion, quadrillion ... decimal places worth of exact digits. We can do that in mathematics. We can have exact answers. Because we're not constrained by any features of the real world. But in the real world, there was this fellow named Heisenberg, famous for a lot of things, but especially for showing us that exact answers cannot exist in reality. Of this uncertainty we can be certain.
So take your grubby paws out of our circles, or I'll summon up Archimedes ghost to haunt you throughout eternity.
As ever, Jesse
- De Genesi ad Litteram
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View PostName a scientist whose work has had a more far reaching and long lasting influence on the modern sciences that Charles Darwin. There have certainly been lots of brilliant scientific minds in the last two centuries but no single idea in science has had as much of a profound effect as Darwin's.
Albert Einstein
Neils Bohr
Louis Pasteur
Werner Heisenberg
Max Planck
All have had far reaching impact on modern science, at least equal to Darwin.
Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View PostThat's why he is feted. It has nothing to do with religion or atheism.
The Freedom from Religion Foundation
The Humanist Association of Canada
The American Humanist Association
The British Humanist Association
The Campus Freethought Alliance
The Alliance for Secular Humanist Societies
The International Humanist and Ethical Union
The International Darwin Day Foundation
The American Humanist Association
Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View PostAre you jealous like Jorge because we don't have any days dedicated to Creationist "scientists"? Maybe we can have April 15th renamed to National Kent Hovind Pay Your Taxes day.
I am not aware of any major (or even minor) celebration aimed at any of the other more important scientists of history. The lack of government support is irrelevant.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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