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  • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
    God giving His written Law to man was a temporal and finite act of God. From God who is infinite and immutable. And was done by way of His eternal Son and His holy messengers.

    At issue. God always was and is. Creation being a unique finite temporal act from God constitutes a change. God did not change, so there has to also always been a finite and temporal Cause with God. We know Him to be the Son (John 1:1-3).

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    • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
      God giving His written Law to man was a temporal and finite act of God. From God who is infinite and immutable. And was done by way of His eternal Son and His holy messengers.

      At issue. God always was and is. Creation being a unique finite temporal act from God constitutes a change. God did not change, so there has to also always been a finite and temporal Cause with God. We know Him to be the Son (John 1:1-3).
      "1958 The natural law is immutable and permanent throughout the variations of history;10 it subsists under the flux of ideas and customs and supports their progress. The rules that express it remain substantially valid. Even when it is rejected in its very principles, it cannot be destroyed or removed from the heart of man. It always rises again in the life of individuals and societies:


      Theft is surely punished by your law, O Lord, and by the law that is written in the human heart, the law that iniquity itself does not efface." LINK: CHAPTER THREE
      GOD'S SALVATION: LAW AND GRACE

      ARTICLE 1
      THE MORAL LAW
      Romans 2:15.

      Again, and in order to have a judgment day, you need the law. The law is not as you said, " a finite temporal act".
      Last edited by Marta; 05-06-2017, 02:00 AM.

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      • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
        Your post consists of multiple arguments.

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        • Originally posted by Marta View Post
          <snip>
          Again, and in order to have a judgment day, you need the law. The law is not as you said, " a finite temporal act".
          Oh. Judgement day is a finite and temporal event. How does the Law pertain to that which is eternal and infinite? A law to be meaningful can only pertain to that which is finite and temporal in order to be applicable to finite and temporal creation.
          Last edited by 37818; 05-07-2017, 09:16 AM.
          . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

          . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

          Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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          • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
            Oh. Judgement day is a finite and temporal event. How does the Law pertain to that which is eternal and infinite? A law to be meaningful can only pertain to that which is finite and temporal in order to be applicable to finite and temporal creation.
            ...Judgment day? Judgment day occurs throughout history - see Daniel 2: 21, 1 Samuel 2, "for the Lord is a God who knows,
            and by him deeds are weighed"John 15:22
            Last edited by Marta; 05-08-2017, 02:43 AM.

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            • Originally posted by Marta View Post
              ...Judgment day? Judgment day occurs throughout history - see Daniel 2: 21, 1 Samuel 2, "for the Lord is a God who knows,
              and by him deeds are weighed"John 15:22
              2 Peter 3:10,
              . . . the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

              Revelation 20:11,
              . . . a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. . . .
              . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

              . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

              Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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              • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                Oh. Judgement day is a finite and temporal event. How does the Law pertain to that which is eternal and infinite? A law to be meaningful can only pertain to that which is finite and temporal in order to be applicable to finite and temporal creation.
                If Judgment is finite and temporal event - Revelation 20:11,
                . . . a great white throne, and him that sat on itChrist did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. His purpose was to encourage people to look beyond the "letter of the law" to the "spirit of the law"...the principles behind the commandments and the law's intention. Jesus quotes the book of Deuteronomy and Leviticus: "All the Law can be summed up in this: to love God with all your heart, all your mind and all your soul, and to love your neighbor as yourself" (paraphrased)." Again, and repeating, see Daniel 2: 21, 1 Samuel 2, "for the Lord is a God who knows, and by him deeds are weighed" John 15:22. The word midah in Hebrew means "measure." All of our interactions are measured and weighed.

                The divine law is not finite - but eternal.

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                • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                  God giving His written Law to man was a temporal and finite act of God. From God who is infinite and immutable. And was done by way of His eternal Son and His holy messengers.
                  God gave the Israelites the written law (the physical - the letter of the law) foreshadowing the spirit of the law that was to come and to be given to us by God through our Lord Jesus Christ (See: Deuteronomy 29:4is a matter of physical action, it also involves an attitude of the mindcircumcision of the heart
                  Last edited by Marta; 05-09-2017, 10:22 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                    At issue. God always was and is. Creation being a unique finite temporal act from God constitutes a change. God did not change, so there has to also always been a finite and temporal Cause with God. We know Him to be the Son (John 1:1-3).

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                    • Originally posted by Marta View Post
                      . . .

                      The divine law is not finite - but eternal.
                      Apples and oranges. The finite is subordinate to the infinite and the temporal is subordinate to the eternal. Something can be finite and temporal and be eternal in being finite and temporal.

                      Hebrews 13:8,
                      Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
                      . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                      . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                      Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                      • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                        Apples and oranges. The finite is subordinate to the infinite and the temporal is subordinate to the eternal. Something can be finite and temporal and be eternal in being finite and temporal.

                        Hebrews 13:8,
                        Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
                        Ecclesiastes 3: 14-15

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                        • How about God being unable to change because he is what he is!
                          But he can change all our anything external to himself as he wants.
                          BU

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                          • Originally posted by Bibleuser View Post
                            How about God being unable to change because he is what he is!
                            But he can change all our anything external to himself as he wants.
                            BU
                            ". . . For I, Jehovah, change not; . . ." -- Malachi 3:6. (Hebrews 13:8)
                            . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                            . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                            Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                            • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                              ". . . For I, Jehovah, change not; . . ." -- Malachi 3:6. (Hebrews 13:8)
                              2 differing persons?
                              BU

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                              • Originally posted by Bibleuser View Post
                                2 differing persons?
                                BU
                                Yes. And all that Jehovah does He does via His agent (John 1:3). Jehovah does not change, His agent does the changing (like John 1:14, like Genesis 1:1 - Ephesians 3:9). So unless you honor the Son you do not honor Jehovah (John 5:23; 2 John 9; Romans 8:9; 1 John 5:12, 20).
                                . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                                . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                                Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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