The US & Britain in Prophesy:

[Sparko]

I am sure that sounds on topic to you, and I am inviting more abuse just by responding to you.

You are just trying to win as if this is a competition, while my efforts to discuss the topic are derailed by that kind of forum bullying.

I realize that you are very clever and skilled at it, but any discussion of the topic ends with your constantly trying to win.

You reject the message without any true consideration, and yet you are determined to sabotage any one else from discussing it on realistic terms.

It does not make the message as wrong, and it does not make you as the winner, as it just shuts out the truth and shuts down the discussion.

No. apparently you just want everyone to agree with you and tell you how brilliant you are. Go get yourself a blog if that is what you want. This is a debate forrum. We argue with each other, and disagree. If it hurts your feelings that I and others are disagreeing with you then you need to grow a thicker skin, or skedaddle.

And in any discussion, people will make off topic comments here and there or "comments from the peanut gallery" - that is just how it goes. deal with it.

There is no "winning" or "losing" - just debating and discussion. Not blogging and preaching.

[Littlejoe]

Clearly John Martin must have been another person that this forum has bullied just for trying to discuss improved enlightenment.

And he had the guts to use his name instead of anonymous.

I say that each of you who disparage him needs to be ashamed of your selves for rejecting a messenger of God.

No...John Martin started a lot of threads and as soon as someone challenged him with real facts, he would ask the mods to close the thread or he would stop responding and open a new thread with basically the same topic.

You keep saying you don't support Herbert Armstrong but you do his message....to me that's just reverse well poisoning. As Sparko said, this isn't your blog, this is you posting your opinion on what God's message is. I as a Christian take God's message VERY SERIOUSLY. If you want to convince me, it will take more than your say so that something is true. If you do not like that, then please take your "message" somewhere else. Heresy will get a lot of push back here.

[James Cusick]

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If anyone wants to discuss this topic then I would welcome that.

Just FYI.

[Christianbookworm]

Do you have any valid arguments?

[Marta]

If anyone wants to discuss this topic then I would welcome that.

Just FYI.

Good Morning James Cusick,

I read your response back to me and that's fine you don't have to respond back to any of my posts or at least, have no comment. Pointing toward some of your earlier comments about the lost ten tribes - well, our heritage is apart of all that. And, if you're referring to the French side, the last name is Parisian - on my grandmother's side and on my father's side it is Welch, Scott-Irish. The story, and some say it is a myth, from my dad's side of the family (relatives) is that the family (in name) will usher in the three kings from back home. As a matter of fact, the family is very large, some have taken an interest on its origins. The variations is spelt differently depending on where you live - Irish (if your in Kentucky) or Welsh (if your in the coal miner's area) and Indiana or Chicago if you claimed the French heritage rights, and some still celebrate their independence from the British, if you're in Canada - we took the backbone in this country straight down the line to New Orleans, LA. The myth of the three kings has been a long time coming and some back home are anticipating it. Whether or not its biblical, not sure - I guess it would have to be.

You're assumptions and what was written about how the Israelite had been scattered throughout the world- are true, and like the phrase describes the diaspora Jewish (on my mother's side) - and as scripture notes, Let my teaching fall like rain and my words descend like dew

[Marta]

Correction: Sirach 28

[Sparko]

If anyone wants to discuss this topic then I would welcome that.

Just FYI.

Which is what everyone has been doing. And showing you that your (and Armstrong's) claims are nonsense. What more can we discuss? You have not defended the claim at all other than to refer back to the book, over and over. By the way, arguing by referring to an outside source is "argument by weblink" which is against our rules. You can refer to an outside source but you need to either paraphrase it to bolster your own argument or cite the actual argument in the post. You can't just say "go read chapter 9!" or "see this link:"

Just FYI.

[James Cusick]

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My last reply, I would love to see both countries be under God's protection. As both countries, in my eyes, have done great things for many people - we still as a country have a lot to smoothen out. The heritage, and stories of our family - and the moves, were about how our ancestors made in this country and found the courage to build what they earned and to strengthen. It is our generation that needs to see this - in every family. What other places do you know of that can house so many people and take of them? Not a lot. Build and strength in faith toward God.

You do have the right idea here, Marta, and this part of your comment is directly in accord with this thread topic - that the USA and Britain are to be punished by God for our sins and rebellion, and the times are to get much worse (7 times worse, per Leviticus 26:14-39).

The point of the message is that the USA and Britain were blessed (past tense) but next comes the wrath of God onto these sinful nations and people.

[Christianbookworm]

The USA and the UK did not as a country enter into a covenant with God. Now individuals within that countries have(we call those folk Christians), but not all of them. As a result, God may just ignore us and leave us to our own devices. Then again, God judged Israel by just letting the nations surrounding her do what they wanted(i.e. conquer some prime trade routes). But that doesn't mean the same holds for today. It might mean we should be careful, but I'm not expecting ten plagues style disasters.

[Marta]

You do have the right idea here, Marta, and this part of your comment is directly in accord with this thread topic - that the USA and Britain are to be punished by God for our sins and rebellion, and the times are to get much worse (7 times worse, per Leviticus 26:14-39).

The point of the message is that the USA and Britain were blessed (past tense) but next comes the wrath of God onto these sinful nations and people.

You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives. 89:14for his elect who cry to Him day and night

[Marta]

and so like Noah and Abraham - there is so much preaching you can do, period, then you have to let God step into the problem. Abraham, as the story goes, asked God if there be but 50 righteous would He save the city for those 50 righteous? When it came to Noah, there's so much preaching one can do - and then, the gates/doors have to be shut. And with the Exodus, 9th plague - the darkness that covered the land, the verses is said The greatest darkness is when "a man sees not his fellow"

[Marta]

The USA and the UK did not as a country enter into a covenant with God. Now individuals within that countries have(we call those folk Christians), but not all of them. As a result, God may just ignore us and leave us to our own devices. Then again, God judged Israel by just letting the nations surrounding her do what they wanted(i.e. conquer some prime trade routes). But that doesn't mean the same holds for today. It might mean we should be careful, but I'm not expecting ten plagues style disasters.

John 21:6Genesis 30.


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James Cusick -

The people who were given the birthright promise were to be called after the name of Isaac = as in Saxon (sons of Isaac).

Genesis 21:12 "... for in Isaac shall thy seed be called."

Quote Originally Posted by Faber View Post

If they were Israellites, they would have used either "ben" from Hebrew or "bar" from Aramaic.

Marta: Faber - this is true. Ben or Bar - is refer to as "Son of" but these were Israelites who had adopted or were referred to a specific family/house and some times took on a city's name or a job function. Remembering my gggreat grandfather.

"Until this period, Jewish names generally changed with every generation. For example, if Moses son of Mendel (Moyshe ben Mendel) married Sarah daughter of Rebecca (Sora bas Rifke), and they had a boy and named it Samuel (Shmuel), the child would be called Shmuel ben Moyshe. If they had a girl and named her Feygele, she would be called Feygele bas Sora."
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PATRONYMICS (son of ...)


In Yiddish or German, "son" would be denoted by "son" or "sohn" or "er." In most Slavic languages, like Polish or Russian, it would be "wich" or "witz."


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In the ancient past it was very common for large numbers of people to move or travel long distances, just as the Bible tells that Israel was moved to Assyria, and the people of Judah (the Jews) were moved to Babylon. And a big population back then was maybe 10,000 people while 100,000 was a massive population, so moving to a different land was not so complicated, and many people were still nomadic.

True, again - and, for our ancestry - 1st temple period Jews, I'm assuming, we venture down to North Africa, Morocco:

"The most ancient communities of African Jews are the Ethiopian, Sephardi, and Mizrahi Jews of North Africa and the Horn of Africa." - Remnants of longstanding Jewish communities remain in Morocco, Tunisia, and the Spanish cities of Ceuta and Melilla. There is a much-diminished but still vibrant community on the island of Djerba in Tunisia.

However! I found ours in the tribal lands of the Atlas Mountains region, among the Berber tribes. Don't know if this is true - if it is, the Jarawa, Uled Jari, and some tribes of the Daggatun people, converted to Judaism. Which I don't think that it is because the last name is long standing among the Jewish people and since we're considered as "one of" the head of the families. Again, just speculating on this thought.

Jews in Africa

B'nai Jeshurun - songs Avinu Malkenu, third-oldest Ashkenazi. Mostly the Jews from Arab territories are Sephardi. Sephardic And Egalitarian | B'nai Jeshurun

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James Cusick: "Jesus said that no one knows the time or hour (or the specific date) but we can see the signs of the times."

"but we can see the signs of the times"

Sometimes - they can be deceiving.

[James Cusick]

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The USA and the UK did not as a country enter into a covenant with God. Now individuals within that countries have(we call those folk Christians), but not all of them. As a result, God may just ignore us and leave us to our own devices. Then again, God judged Israel by just letting the nations surrounding her do what they wanted(i.e. conquer some prime trade routes). But that doesn't mean the same holds for today. It might mean we should be careful, but I'm not expecting ten plagues style disasters.

God made the covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and the promise of God for their descendants in the latter days has to be fulfilled.

The USA and the UK never needed to make any covenant with God, because God made the covenant and that is what counts.

When people (like Christians or others) make a human covenant with God then it is just human and not a Divine covenant.

I too am not expecting anything like the ten plagues - but it does say it will be a time of severe troubles and that is quite enough for me.


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Let's talk about this subject because I think you brought up a good topic to the board - James. I not putting the thread down, I'm just wondering why you think that the U.S and the U.K will be punished?

The Bible tells us that we will be punished for our disobedience and rebellion against God.

The USA and the UK are particular people who have received great blessing and are thereby required to do great service for God.

The Bible also tells that punishment from God is like the chastisement from a loving parent, so even the punishment from God is really a blessing.

You said that, in the past tense, that both these countries were at one time blessed? Where do you feel that the change started?

My understanding is that the change started directly after the second world war (WW2) with what is called the "greatest generation" (really the most spoiled and selfish generation - IMO) because they were the chosen ones.

This is why it is such a slow process as that generation slowly dies away then the blessing slowly die away too, and the cursings or punishments slowly start to rise up.

My prediction based on the available info as told in that BOOK is that the end will become official when Queen Elizabeth II dies, because she will mark the end of that generation coming to a close.

[Marta]

God made the covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and the promise of God for their descendants in the latter days has to be fulfilled.

The USA and the UK never needed to make any covenant with God, because God made the covenant and that is what counts.

When people (like Christians or others) make a human covenant with God then it is just human and not a Divine covenant.

I too am not expecting anything like the ten plagues - but it does say it will be a time of severe troubles and that is quite enough for me.


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The Bible tells us that we will be punished for our disobedience and rebellion against God.

The USA and the UK are particular people who have received great blessing and are thereby required to do great service for God.

The Bible also tells that punishment from God is like the chastisement from a loving parent, so even the punishment from God is really a blessing.


My understanding is that the change started directly after the second world war (WW2) with what is called the "greatest generation" (really the most spoiled and selfish generation - IMO) because they were the chosen ones.

This is why it is such a slow process as that generation slowly dies away then the blessing slowly die away too, and the cursings or punishments slowly start to rise up.

My prediction based on the available info as told in that BOOK is that the end will become official when Queen Elizabeth II dies, because she will mark the end of that generation coming to a close.

"Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to doAleppo Codex.[/B]

So the codex would validate the authenticity......

Sources:

Reform Judaism

[James Cusick]

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"Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do

No - the entire Country and every citizen does share the guilt, and that is a point about democracy too that all the people are represented in the Government.

The fact that God might save a few remnant in the final battle is fine, but the guilt of the USA and of Britain is still shared by all their citizens.

I myself do not support the evils of the USA government nor of our evil society, but I accept that I do share the guilt of the guilty.