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This forum area is primarily for persons who would identify themselves as Christians whether or not their theology is recognized within the mainstream or as orthodox though other theists may participate with moderator permission. Therefore those that would be restricted from posting in Christianity 201 due to a disagreement with the enumerated doctrines, ie the Trinity, the Creatorship of God, the virgin birth, the bodily resurrection of Christ, the atonement, the future bodily return of Christ, the future bodily resurrection of the just and the unjust, and the final judgment may freely post here on any theological subject matter. In this case "unorthodox" is used in the strict sense of a person who denies what has been declared as universal essentials of the historic Christian faith. Examples would be adherents to Oneness, Full Preterists, Unitarian Universalist Christians, Gnostics, Liberal Christianity, Christian Science to name a few.
The second purpose will be for threads on subjects, which although the thread starter has no issue with the above doctrines, the subject matter is so very outside the bounds of normative Christian doctrine totally within the leadership's discretion that it is placed here. In so doing, no judgment or offense is intended to be placed on the belief of said person in the above-doctrines. In this case "unorthodox" is used in a much looser sense of "outside the norms" - Examples of such threads would be pro-polygamy, pro-drug use, proponents of gay Christian churches, proponents of abortion.
The third purpose is for persons who wish to have input from any and all who would claim the title of Christian even on subjects that would be considered "orthodox."
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Help me! I'm beginning to abandon the Trinity.
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- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostSo, in your view, man has no spirit. Just dust formed into flesh and breathing air. Got it.
Too bad you can't have the breath of life without a spirit inhabiting.
Yes it does.
There are two ways of understanding the word πνεύματος in above Greek :
(1) Contemporary English Version
Anyone who doesn't breathe is dead, and faith that doesn't do anything is just as dead!
(2)NET Bible
For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.
The first is using the word πνεῦμα in the sense of simple respiration, of the human breathing process. The second is harkening back to Genesis 2:7, to before God breathed "the breath of life" into the body of man, when the body of the man was lifeless. The second ption is grammatically problematic IMHO because πνεύματος here is anarthrous whereas "the breath of life" in Genesis 2:7 is articular in the original Hebrew, נִשְׁמַ֣ת חַיִּ֑ים
I know. It was that breath of life that created Adam's spirit. And when that breath stopped, his spirit no longer there to keep him animated and his lungs respirating.
Ok. Metaphor then.
Yes. My mistake there.
No it isn't.
A metaphor is a figure of speech that is used to make a comparison between two things that aren't alike but do have something in common. Unlike a simile, where two things are compared directly using like or as, a metaphor's comparison is more indirect, usually made by stating something is something else. A metaphor is very expressive; it is not meant to be taken literally. You may have to work a little to find the meaning in a metaphor.
For example, a river and tears aren't very alike. One is a body of water in nature, while the other can be produced by our eyes. They do have one thing in common, though: both are a type of water that flows. A metaphor uses this similarity to help the writer make a point:
Her tears were a river flowing down her cheeks.
As a river is so much larger than a few tears, the metaphor is a creative way of saying that the person is crying a lot. There are so many tears that they remind the writer of a river.
Metaphors help writers and poets make a point in a more interesting way. They also help the reader see something from a new perspective.
The premise remains. James uses a metaphor of human death of the spirit leaving the body, as per the Jewish understanding, to compare metaphorically to faith that lacks works.
What we do have here though is a figurative use of a single word, namely, of the word "dead" in James 2:26 to attest to the fact that a human body without the spirit is powerless/ineffective, that is, it not able to respond to impulses, or perform functions.
Check the following resource:
3498 (figuratively) not able to respond to impulses, or perform functions ("unable, ineffective, dead, powerless," L & N, 1, 74.28); unresponsive to life-giving influences (opportunities); inoperative to the things of God.Last edited by Unitarian101; 12-01-2018, 02:57 AM.
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Originally posted by Unitarian101 View PostThe text of genesis 2:7 does not say that. So where exactly are you getting this from ?That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Unitarian101 View PostThat's a strawman caricature. Man with the breath of God is more than that, he is a living being (i.e. a being living -- that is, a being capable of emotions, of intelligence, of physical activity, of growth and of understanding, of compassion, of mercy, of anger and of love, etc.)
Because of the spirit within us.
Where does the bible articulate such a thing ?
I've spent pages and pages of this thread explaining it to you. And you just handwave and obfuscate. Like Sparko, I am sticking you in my "troll" drawer and I'm done with you.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostBecause of the spirit within us.
I've spent pages and pages of this thread explaining it to you. And you just handwave and obfuscate. Like Sparko, I am sticking you in my "troll" drawer and I'm done with you.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostUnitarian isn't the OP.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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