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Originally posted by apostoli View PostYou really do need to understand the difference between supplication and prayer...Jesus tells us he taught and does what his Father wants...
One more chance? I don't need any chances from you, idiot. You can't even figure out that the Lord Jesus is prayed to.
Take your stupidity elsewhere.Last edited by foudroyant; 08-02-2014, 04:31 PM.
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Originally posted by foudroyant View PostAnd His Father wants us to pray to the Lord Jesus.
One more chance? I don't need any chances from you, idiot. You can't even figure out that the Lord Jesus is prayed to.
Take your stupidity elsewhere.
I'll give you another chance...
Questions arise: Do you ascribe to the Nicene Creed or reject it? Do you believe that before his incarnation the Son was begotten by his Father, not made, God from God? Do you believe that the Son is a distinct entity/individual from his Father? Do you believe the scripture's account that the Son was incarnated not of his own volition but was sent by his Father? Do you believe that in the end of times the Son will share his Father's throne, at the will of the Father? Do you believe, as A.Paul certainly did, that God (the Father) raised Jesus from the dead? Do you believe, as the apostles John & Paul certainly did, that all Jesus did was for the glorification of his Father (cp. Jn 17, Phil 2)
Failure to answer such basic questions will reveal you to be the fraud you actualise...
Jesus well describes you and like at John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do... "
Of course Christians supplicate to Jesus, but we do so for the intervention of his Father. As Jesus puts it at John 14:13: "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son."
Note John 3:34-35 "For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand..."Last edited by apostoli; 08-02-2014, 09:51 PM.
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Originally posted by foudroyant View PostYeah Christians are to pray to the Lord Jesus -> the point of this thread.
Seems you are intent on ignoring Christian teaching for around the last 20 centuries...so JWs and everyone else may as well ignore your cult's perspective and your evident ignorance (socially, scripturally and intellectually)...
If you see yourself as a Christian in some form (no matter how obviously abnormal), you should have no trouble in answering the following questions in the affirmative....failure to do so, simply reveals you to be a fraud (something you currently evidence)...but in Christian kindness I'll give you another chance...
Questions arise: Do you ascribe to the Nicene Creed or reject it? Do you believe that before his incarnation the Son was begotten by his Father, not made, God from God? Do you believe that the Son is a distinct entity/individual from his Father? Do you believe the scripture's account that the Son was incarnated not of his own volition but was sent by his Father? Do you believe that in the end of times the Son will share his Father's throne, at the will of the Father? Do you believe, as A.Paul certainly did, that God (the Father) raised Jesus from the dead? Do you believe, as the apostles John & Paul certainly did, that all Jesus did was for the glorification of his Father (cp. Jn 17, Phil 2)Last edited by apostoli; 08-02-2014, 10:03 PM.
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Originally posted by foudroyant View PostSee my response in Post #17 dummy.
Apparently, you are too gutless to affirm or deny the most elementary teachings of Chistianity!!! Your reluctance evidences the imprudence of your stupidity...Once again I offer you a chance of redemption...
Questions arise: Do you ascribe to the Nicene Creed or reject it? Do you believe that before his incarnation the Son was begotten by his Father, not made, God from God? Do you believe that the Son is a distinct entity/individual from his Father? Do you believe the scripture's account that the Son was incarnated not of his own volition but was sent by his Father? Do you believe that in the end of times the Son will share his Father's throne, at the will of the Father? Do you believe, as A.Paul certainly did, that God (the Father) raised Jesus from the dead? Do you believe, as the apostles John & Paul certainly did, that all Jesus did was for the glorification of his Father (cp. Jn 17, Phil 2)
Failure to answer such basic questions will reveal you to be the fraud you actualise...
Jesus well describes you and like at John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do... "
Of course Christians supplicate to Jesus, but we do so for the intervention of his Father. As Jesus puts it at John 14:13: "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son."
Note John 3:34-35 "For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand..."
ps: It is of great interest that you, in your post #17, considered my direct quotation of scripture and my attestment to Christinan belief for nearly 20 centuries, as a stupidity. Tells all our viewers a lot about whatever heretical cult you have attached yourself to...Last edited by apostoli; 08-02-2014, 11:03 PM.
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Originally posted by foudroyant View Postyur funny
Apparently, you are too gutless to affirm or deny the most elementary teachings of Chistianity!!! Your reluctance evidences the imprudence of your stupidity...Once again I offer you a chance of redemption...
Questions arise: Do you ascribe to the Nicene Creed or reject it? Do you believe that before his incarnation the Son was begotten by his Father, not made, God from God? Do you believe that the Son is a distinct entity/individual from his Father? Do you believe the scripture's account that the Son was incarnated not of his own volition but was sent by his Father? Do you believe that in the end of times the Son will share his Father's throne, at the will of the Father? Do you believe, as A.Paul certainly did, that God (the Father) raised Jesus from the dead? Do you believe, as the apostles John & Paul certainly did, that all Jesus did was for the glorification of his Father (cp. Jn 17, Phil 2)
Failure to answer such basic questions will reveal you to be the fraud you actualise...
Jesus well describes you and like at John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do... "
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Originally posted by foudroyant View Poststart another thread somewhere else about this topic.
THIS THREAD has to do with the Lord Jesus being prayed to/worshiped.
It appears, in your cowardice and lack of conviction, you deny Jesus Christ, his Father and all the teachings of Orthodox Christianity!!! So whatever dribble you wish to sprout is proved by our own obscurity to be in absolute error...
Once again (for the seventh time) I ask you to affirm or deny the most basic of Christian principles...
Do you ascribe to the Nicene Creed or reject it? Do you believe that before his incarnation the Son was begotten by his Father, not made, God from God? Do you believe that the Son is a distinct entity/individual from his Father? Do you believe the scripture's account that the Son was incarnated not of his own volition but was sent by his Father? Do you believe that in the end of times the Son will share his Father's throne, at the will of the Father? Do you believe, as A.Paul certainly did, that God (the Father) raised Jesus from the dead? Do you believe, as the apostles John & Paul certainly did, that all Jesus did was for the glorification of his Father (cp. Jn 17, Phil 2)Last edited by apostoli; 08-03-2014, 09:45 AM.
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Originally posted by apostoliIndeed. Scripture tells us explicitly, without denial, that King David had himself worshiped in equivalence with God (1 Chronicles 29:20).1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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How pathetic that you still cite 1 Chronicles 29:20 with the same old wrong interpretation of it.
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...ed=1#post70847
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostOr if that isn't considered acceptable, Zechariah 14:16 should settle any doubts.Last edited by apostoli; 08-04-2014, 02:32 AM.
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Originally posted by foudroyant View PostHow pathetic that you still cite 1 Chronicles 29:20 with the same old wrong interpretation of it.
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...ed=1#post70847
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For the 8th time I ask you to either affirm or deny the most basic of Christian teachings...
Do you ascribe to the Nicene Creed or reject it? Do you believe that before his incarnation the Son was begotten by his Father, not made, God from God? Do you believe that the Son is a distinct entity/individual from his Father? Do you believe the scripture's account that the Son was incarnated not of his own volition but was sent by his Father? Do you believe that in the end of times the Son will share his Father's throne, at the will of the Father? Do you believe, as A.Paul certainly did, that God (the Father) raised Jesus from the dead? Do you believe, as the apostles John & Paul certainly did, that all Jesus did was for the glorification of his Father (cp. Jn 17, Phil 2)
Your reluctance to affirm the most simple of Christian principles, now for the eighth time demonstrates you reject Christianity. The assumption therefore is that in your pretense you adhere to some hillybilly cult....
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