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explaining Echad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak74TpPCsHs
explaining one version of the chosen people idea...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbFEgr2kRzwTotal depravity (also called radical corruption or pervasive depravity) is a theological doctrine derived from the Augustinian concept of original sin. It is the teaching that, as a consequence of the Fall of Man, every person born into the world is enslaved to the service of sin as a result of their fallen nature and, apart from the efficacious or prevenient grace of God, is utterly unable to choose to follow God, refrain from evil, or accept the gift of salvation as it is offered."
I am glad to know that there are Christians who believe the same as Jews and Muslims, that humanity is created inherently good. That we have the choice to submit to God's will or rebel. Jesus Christ is a good example of "one who submits to God's will" (= muslim).
When human beings make mistakes (sin), such as stealing for example, there is an element that is a crime against another human as well as a crime against God. In Islamic ethical principles, the ownership of property/wealth is a God-given right. Thus a person who steals from another has actually committed 2 crimes, one against another human being by infringing on a right and another against God who gave the right to humanity. Forgiveness or punishment for a crime/mistake a person commits against another person is a human affair to be dealt with human Justice. Forgiveness for mistakes committed against God is a divine prerogative to be dealt with divine Justice. Not all human errors/sin have this duality---some crimes/mistakes are only human affairs---some are only for God to decide---for example, when a person makes partners to the One God---this is an error in belief and God has the right to decide to forgive or not---but it is not a crime against another person, and so, has nothing to do with human justice.
the cross---from a Muslim perspective, God does not need a cross to forgive---he does as he wills whenever he wills.
....will reply to other points when I get the time---
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak74TpPCsHs
explaining one version of the chosen people idea...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbFEgr2kRzwTotal depravity (also called radical corruption or pervasive depravity) is a theological doctrine derived from the Augustinian concept of original sin. It is the teaching that, as a consequence of the Fall of Man, every person born into the world is enslaved to the service of sin as a result of their fallen nature and, apart from the efficacious or prevenient grace of God, is utterly unable to choose to follow God, refrain from evil, or accept the gift of salvation as it is offered."
I am glad to know that there are Christians who believe the same as Jews and Muslims, that humanity is created inherently good. That we have the choice to submit to God's will or rebel. Jesus Christ is a good example of "one who submits to God's will" (= muslim).
When human beings make mistakes (sin), such as stealing for example, there is an element that is a crime against another human as well as a crime against God. In Islamic ethical principles, the ownership of property/wealth is a God-given right. Thus a person who steals from another has actually committed 2 crimes, one against another human being by infringing on a right and another against God who gave the right to humanity. Forgiveness or punishment for a crime/mistake a person commits against another person is a human affair to be dealt with human Justice. Forgiveness for mistakes committed against God is a divine prerogative to be dealt with divine Justice. Not all human errors/sin have this duality---some crimes/mistakes are only human affairs---some are only for God to decide---for example, when a person makes partners to the One God---this is an error in belief and God has the right to decide to forgive or not---but it is not a crime against another person, and so, has nothing to do with human justice.
the cross---from a Muslim perspective, God does not need a cross to forgive---he does as he wills whenever he wills.
....will reply to other points when I get the time---
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