Did Jesus preach or proclaim the doctrine of the Trinity?

[Christian3]

A possible whipping and instructions to his family to take care of him, as he would have been judged to be mad.

The Scriptures were preached orally for sometime before being written down.

Yes, they would have thought Jesus was insane and never would have listened to Him after that.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

The Scriptures were preached orally for sometime before being written down.

On what evidence?

Yes, they would have thought Jesus was insane and never would have listened to Him after that.

We get a distinct hint of that in Mark 3:21.

[mikewhitney]

thinkmeant to say

You remind me of the guy years ago who, in an argument against the Christian knowledge of God, said that all the ancient religions had some concept of God. Therefore God doesn't exist. He was contradicted himself. He should have noted that this suggests God exists.

You sort of lost me with the conspiracy theory relating to the Council of Nicea 325. Also, it seems you are not only using this against Christianity, you seem to use this as a pretext for saying God doesn't exist. This is the modern day superstition.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

You remind me of the guy years ago who, in an argument against the Christian knowledge of God, said that all the ancient religions had some concept of God. Therefore God doesn't exist. He was contradicted himself. He should have noted that this suggests God exists.

You sort of lost me with the conspiracy theory relating to the Council of Nicea 325. Also, it seems you are not only using this against Christianity, you seem to use this as a pretext for saying God doesn't exist. This is the modern day superstition.

You seem remarkably averse to answering questions put to you.

I can assure you that the First Council of Nicaea actually took place. It is not part of a later conspiracy theory.

[Christian3]

You seem remarkably averse to answering questions put to you.

I can assure you that the First Council of Nicaea actually took place. It is not part of a later conspiracy theory.

[mikewhitney]

You seem remarkably averse to answering questions put to you.

I can assure you that the First Council of Nicaea actually took place. It is not part of a later conspiracy theory.

Right. you were talking about a conspiracy at the Council of Nicea to rewrite scripture, not a later conspiracy. I followed you that far.

You kind of got away from the discussion of the concepts underlying the Trinitarian doctrine.

[mikewhitney]

Once the dating of the gospels is adjusted due to a rejection of miracles, the historian has gone beyond just noting the flow of history. He has become gone beyond the task of noting what has transpired into the task of making it his own rendition of history. Like I noted earlier, there would be room for few other options (apart from rejecting the gospel timeline). You could say that guards rolled the rock away. You could say that Jesus had insight to anticipate the destruction of the temple. You could say that Jesus did many of his acts just to match with Old Testament prophecies.

I've given you a few tips you can use later on.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Give the full quote in context. Include the page number.

You are very keen to make demands of others when you are singularly loath to provide evidence for your own comments.

Give me the attested historical evidence to support this statement "The Scriptures were preached orally for sometime before being written down." I will then give you Prof. Ashton's reference.

You do know that Ashton wrote for Answers in Genesis, don't you?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

How do you explain the early trinitarian quotes prior to the council of Nicaea.

I asked you what you considered the writer of the Didache meant by "the Son" and the "Holy Spirit". You never answered.

I assume you do know about subordinationism? You do know that ECFs such as Origen, Irenaeus, and Tertuallian were subordinationists? I suppose you also know that the ideas of Arius were in the ascendancy within Christianity in the eastern empire in the early fourth century?

I'm still waiting for your reply to my post:

I am still waiting for you to provide attested historical evidence in support of your allegation that "The Scriptures were preached orally for sometime before being written down."

You do know that Ashton wrote for Answers in Genesis, don't you?

Already answered. You likewise made a mistake.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Right. you were talking about a conspiracy at the Council of Nicea to rewrite scripture,

Before I reply to this in detail, just answer this question, do you know anything about the first 250 years of your religion? Do you know about all the different beliefs that were circulating and the various gospels, epistles, acts, and apocalyptic literature being produced by different Christian communities?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Once the dating of the gospels is adjusted due to a rejection of miracles, the historian has gone beyond just noting the flow of history. He has become gone beyond the task of noting what has transpired into the task of making it his own rendition of history. Like I noted earlier, there would be room for few other options (apart from rejecting the gospel timeline). You could say that guards rolled the rock away. You could say that Jesus had insight to anticipate the destruction of the temple. You could say that Jesus did many of his acts just to match with Old Testament prophecies.

Perhaps you would like to see archaeological digs being undertaken somewhere in the Black Forest to ascertain the whereabouts of a Gingerbread House or the remains of a castle wherein everyone slept for one hundred years?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Duly corrected

[mikewhitney]

Perhaps you would like to see archaeological digs being undertaken somewhere in the Black Forest to ascertain the whereabouts of a Gingerbread House or the remains of a castle wherein everyone slept for one hundred years?

You fall for the fallacy that since so many peoples and religions held to the existence of gods that there must not be God or any gods.

You certainly are on a weird mission to convince people not to acknowledge our God and Creator. This is not something I would recommend as a livelihood or a hobby. What got you so hyped on this missionary work into the Christian world?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

You fall for the fallacy that since so many peoples and religions held to the existence of gods that there must not be God or any gods.

I note you are yet again making dogmatic statements that are not supported by anything that I have written.

However, we have seen over the course of our exchanges that making pronouncements without any supporting corroborative evidence and ignoring any questions put to you, appears to be your MO.

[mikewhitney]

I note you are yet again making dogmatic statements that are not supported by anything that I have written.

However, we have seen over the course of our exchanges that making pronouncements without any supporting corroborative evidence and ignoring any questions put to you, appears to be your MO.

If you have any interesting to respond to, I could be interested in responding. Otherwise, you should start searching for gingerbread houses.