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Originally posted by JimL View PostRight, there is no screen, there are no eyes, there is just a physical brain, so how do you suppose you are seeing an actual picture?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThey are patterns of brain activity which is why if you could actually see your brain, that is all you would see.
No.
Because the mind is the brain, not a thing in its own right. When you look at a brain you can't see what we call the mind, because the mind is just an aspect of the physical brain, it's what the brain does.
Ok, good, so we agree it's a bad analogy.
Exactly what are you claiming to be immaterial here?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostRight, there is no screen, there are no eyes, there is just a physical brain, so how do you suppose you are seeing an actual picture?
I've obviously seen both my mother and unfortunately Trump. We can put together patterns of brain activity with respect to all aspects of the world to come up with an mental image.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd you think this picture actually exists somewhere in your head? Where exactly in your head would you say it is Sparko. Does it have a specific place, is it confined to the inside of your head or what?
Nowhere is there a picture of two trains wrecking except in our minds.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWhat causes/initiates those patterns of activity in your brain when you want to think of say, your mom?
But the image only exists in your mind and you said it was not a physical image. So it and your mind must be immaterial. ipso facto.
software isn't the hardware on a computer that it runs on is it?
Its actually quite a good one. I can tell by the way you keep doing everything you can to ignore it.
The software. the virtual world that the software creates. that you interact with.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd you think this picture actually exists somewhere in your head? Where exactly in your head would you say it is Sparko. Does it have a specific place, is it confined to the inside of your head or what?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIt depends, just now the cause was your question.
Bark like a dog!
did it work?
The image in your head is not an actual picture. Where do you think the images conjured up in your head come from, do you just think them into existence, or do they just exist eternally waiting for you to look at them?
What do you mean by the software? Do you mean the material images that you are looking at with your eyes and interacting with? Is that what you mean by immaterial?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, there is not. Now I know you believe there is, so tell me exactly where in your head it is, and with what organ of sight you are seeing it?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo when you see an image of your mother in your mind there really isn't an image of your mother? Then what is it?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostNo there is not, that is why it is immaterial.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI ask you a question seer? Where in your head does this picture exist, and when thinking of it, with what observational organs are you looking at it with?Last edited by seer; 12-15-2018, 12:30 PM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim, first we have to establish - does the image of your mother exist or not? If it is not an image of your mother then what is it?
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