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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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I do assume the validity of reasoning! It has to be a first principle. But if nature is all there is, then how is it that my thoughts are not just the sum of the atoms in my head?
You are trying to claim that Homo sapiens are somehow unique, they are not.
There are rational explanations for all that have been examined.Originally posted by shunyadragonI understand the limits of this evidence and it is anecdotal at best, and does not stand the test of objective verifiable evidence.
Best wishes,
LeeLast edited by lee_merrill; 11-20-2018, 04:54 PM."What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo you're saying the soul is what, a thoughtless thing? How can the soul use the brain to think, if the soul itself doesn't think?
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Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostThe soul itself thinks, using the brain if it is present, would be what I would say, though again this is basically speculation.
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostWhat about the reports of events happening outside the room where the body lay?
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Lee
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostThe soul itself thinks, using the brain if it is present, would be what I would say, though again this is basically speculation.
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostI do assume the validity of reasoning! It has to be a first principle. But if nature is all there is, then how is it that my thoughts are not just the sum of the atoms in my head?My arguments would apply to all reasoning creatures, who are able to understand a valid argument.
What about the reports of events happening outside the room where the body lay?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...nd-near-death/
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo you think the soul itself is a mindless entity? What then do you think that the soul does when the body and brain are no longer present? You want your speculations to make sense Lee, otherwise you have no reason to believe in them.
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I note that you are assuming the validity of reasoning in order to demonstrate the validity of reasoning.
There is a lot of anecdotal evidence of such reports, but no definitive, unequivocal scientific verification. Whereas there IS a scientific explanation of how they occur:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...nd-near-death/
Best wishes,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostJim can you show me a photo of a mind? Not the brain, but the mind itself? k'thnx.
You show thoughts reflected in the activity of the brain in imagery of brain activity. .
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThis is a foolish request there is no one claims that such a photo is possible.
You show thoughts reflected in the activity of the brain in imagery of brain activity. .
I would also like to see a photo of an emotion too. Like love. Not someone experiencing it, but of the emotion itself. Or a concept. Like justice, or honor, that only exist in a mind.
If everything is material, it should not be a problem.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostJim can you show me a photo of a mind? Not the brain, but the mind itself? k'thnx.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, I can't, and do you know why? It is because there is no such thing as a mind separate from the brain. The mind isn't some immaterial entity in its own right floating about in space somewhere or sitting in the pineal gland, a homunculous, operating the brain, the mind is simply what the brain does.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostBut the mind is physical, right?
So we should be able to see it, no?
I would also like to see a photo of an emotion too. Like love. Not someone experiencing it, but of the emotion itself. Or a concept. Like justice, or honor, that only exist in a mind.
If everything is material, it should not be a problem.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSo the mind is immaterial then?
You show thoughts and emotions reflected in the activity of the brain in imagery of brain activity. .Last edited by shunyadragon; 11-21-2018, 05:09 PM.
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