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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Objective Morality (Once More Into The Breach)
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Originally posted by seer View PostBut you just said it was true...
And? You are making my point - natural laws do not intent or purpose anything.Last edited by shunyadragon; 09-25-2017, 09:07 PM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe best interests of society, to which you are a member, is not about you and your interests alone, thats why you ought to obey. Self interests alone, over and above the interests of society is destructive to the best interests of the whole body which in turn is detrimental to the best interests of the individual members thereof, including your own.
Originally posted by TassmanYou can't make an "ought" from an "is" as the great David Hume opined.
Best wishes,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostI ought to obey so we can all have a better life? But why should we all have a better life?
Yes, indeed--so I really need not obey any given moral impulse, especially if it looks like I can get away with it.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNo I did not, the fact that some species go extinct and others do not is the circumstances of the changing environment, and not luck. What you refuse to accept is the overwhelming evidence that species evolve and adapt to changing environments, and the opportunity to occupy new environments. Purpose and intent )Intelligent Design is not only not necessary for evolution to take place naturally over millions of years, but there is no objective evidence that supports this view..Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostShuny, I said that natural forces are not sentient that they do not intent or purpose anything. You said that was true. And I'm not sure what you mean by objective evidence, humankind could have never evolved to our present state of knowledge, science, ethics, etc... without the rational soul - or so your religion teaches. It is the rational soul that separates us from the animals. Human beings are not merely the product of natural evolution.
And Shuny that rational soul is the product of God's intelligent creative act.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostTrue, but that is not related to my argument.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostIt is related to the whole subject, humankind only developed as it did because of the rational soul. Nature alone did not get us here, not scientifically, not with general knowledge, not ethically.
I believe God Created by natural methods and natural laws and in harmony with how science describes our physical existence. Your argument fails when you try to argue against science to justify your agenda. Science is neutral to Theological beliefs and justification, and describes our physical existence simply as it is.
The scientific explanation for our physical existence, abiogenesis, and evolution are the best explanation beyond a reasonable doubt. Of course, there are many unknowns, but careful 'arguing from ignorance' is a fallacy, and not a coherent argument for your agenda.Last edited by shunyadragon; 09-27-2017, 08:49 AM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostActually, humankind including the rational soul were created and developed because of God, and not the rational soul.
I believe God Created by natural methods and natural laws and in harmony with how science describes our physical existence. Your argument fails when you try to argue against science to justify your agenda. Science is neutral to Theological beliefs and justification, and describes our physical existence simply as it is.
The scientific explanation for our physical existence, abiogenesis, and evolution are the best explanation beyond a reasonable doubt. Of course, there are many unknowns, but careful 'arguing from ignorance' is a fallacy, and not a coherent argument for your agenda.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostScience can not account for the rational soul, it is immaterial, and it makes us what we are - and separates us from the animals, as your religion teaches.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWhere is this soul located in the body seer? Descartes thought it sat in the pineal gland. What do you think?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIt's more pleasant than the alternative.
Many don't. But they risk the censure and ultimately punishment by the group.
Best wishes,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by seer View PostScience can not account for the rational soul, it is immaterial, and it makes us what we are - and separates us from the animals, as your religion teaches.
As far as the science of evolution explaining the physical natural processes of the history of humanity, our ancestors and the evolution of life, this is supported by the objective verifiable evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, which is more certain than any other explanation.Last edited by shunyadragon; 09-27-2017, 05:53 PM.
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostFor us, maybe, but why should our interests trump the interests of other species?
Certainly, so we are maximizing self-interest, with a view to the risk involved. But this would not be what most people would think of as moral behavior.
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