God a Trinity.

[Tassman]

You've asserted this repeatedly, but I've yet to see an explanation to why it isn't possible.

If Jesus is fully man then there is no part of him which is not man. Conversely if he is fully god there's no part of him that is not god. He is one or the other, he cant be both simultaneously. Similarly the persons of the Trinity

[JonathanL]

If Jesus is fully man then there is no part of him which is not man. Conversely if he is fully god there's no part of him that is not god. He is one or the other, he cant be both simultaneously. Similarly the persons of the Trinity

This is just your former baseless assertion reworded. Simply regurgitating your previous statement in a different form doesn't mean you've actually given an explanation.

How exactly would it be impossible for God the Son to fully possess the qualities that makes for a human while at the same time being fully God?

[37818]

If Jesus is fully man then there is no part of him which is not man. Conversely if he is fully god there's no part of him that is not god. He is one or the other, he cant be both simultaneously. Similarly the persons of the Trinity

You are a materialist.

God is a Spirit and not a man. Jesus was fully human, a man. The human body is not spirit. A person is not the body.

It is the person of Jesus which is both fully God and fully human.

[Sparko]

Jesus was fully man and fully Galilean too, but that has nothing to do with two different natures. He was either fully God or he was fully Man, he can't be both simultaneously.

God and Man are not the same things, so yes he can be fully both. They are not opposites or similar.

[Sparko]

Trump is Fully President, Fully Male, Fully Human, and Fully a Father.

[shunyadragon]

Trump is Fully President, Fully Male, Fully Human, and Fully a Father.

Very unfortunate circumstances.

[Tassman]

God and Man are not the same things, so yes he can be fully both. They are not opposites or similar.

This is Modalism, in the good ole days you would have been burned at the stake for such heresy.

"Modalism, also called Sabellianism, is the unorthodox belief that God is one person who has revealed himself in three forms or modes in contrast to the Trinitarian doctrine where God is one being eternally existing in three persons. According to Modalism, during the incarnation, Jesus was simply God acting in one mode or role, and the Holy Spirit at Pentecost was God acting in a different mode. Thus, God does not exist as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at the same time. Rather, He is one person and has merely manifested himself in these three modes at various times. Modalism thus denies the basic distinctiveness and coexistence of the three persons of the Trinity".

https://www.theopedia.com/modalism

Trump is Fully President, Fully Male, Fully Human, and Fully a Father.

But Trump hasn't always been fully president nor always fully a father etc, which is the point. The Doctrine of the Trinity claims that each person of the Trinity has existed eternally as one God.

[37818]

. . . Trinitarian doctrine where God is one being eternally existing in three persons.. . .

1 Corinthians 8:6,
. . . to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; . . .

[shunyadragon]

1 Corinthians 8:6,
. . . to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; . . .

This selective quote is great for monotheism, but unfortunately . . .

. . . for the belief that Christ is God incarnate, and than there is Holy Ghost.

[37818]

This selective quote is great for monotheism, but unfortunately . . .

. . . for the belief that Christ is God incarnate, and than there is Holy Ghost.

It just goes to show what you do not understand.

Hint, the attribute of being eternal is opposite of being temporal. An uncaused Cause has to have both attributes.

[shunyadragon]

It just goes to show what you do not understand.

Understand?!?!!? It is very literally so!

This selective quote is great for monotheism, but unfortunately . . .

. . . for the belief that Christ is God incarnate, and than there is Holy Ghost.

[hedrick]

If Jesus is fully man then there is no part of him which is not man. Conversely if he is fully god there's no part of him that is not god. He is one or the other, he cant be both simultaneously. Similarly the persons of the Trinity

To my knowledge "fully God and fully man" is a popular paraphrase, and not standard doctrine. Chalcedon says "truly God and truly Man; the Self-same of a rational soul and body; co-essential with the Father according to the Godhead, the Self-same co-essential with us according to the Manhood;" That does not have the problem you point out.

Chalcedon says that the Logos assumed a human nature. The human nature is, of course, fully human. Because they are united in the same person, that person is truly God and human. But the Logos is human only by virtue of being hypostatically united to the human nature.

Still, there's something which I'm going to translate "interpenetration." While the human can't be simply confused with God, there's a sense in which the human is God. The human is the incarnation of God, and God shines through it. It shows us God and is God for us. Similarly, the Logos is active in all of Jesus' human actions, and thus is fully present in the human. But still, God and humanity are always maintained as distinct.

I tend towards N T Wright's negative view of this whole approach, but it's not obviously self-contradictory. The main issues I have are (1) that while it makes Christ human, it implicitly (and sometimes explicitly) denies that there's an actual human being that we might call Jesus, and (2) it imposes an alien philosophical framework on Biblical language. But the critique quoted isn't right, I don't think.

[shunyadragon]

To my knowledge "fully God and fully man" is a popular paraphrase, and not standard doctrine. Chalcedon says "truly God and truly Man; the Self-same of a rational soul and body; co-essential with the Father according to the Godhead, the Self-same co-essential with us according to the Manhood;" That does not have the problem you point out.

Chalcedon says that the Logos assumed a human nature. The human nature is, of course, fully human. Because they are united in the same person, that person is truly God and human. But the Logos is human only by virtue of being hypostatically united to the human nature.

Still, there's something which I'm going to translate "interpenetration." While the human can't be simply confused with God, there's a sense in which the human is God. The human is the incarnation of God, and God shines through it. It shows us God and is God for us. Similarly, the Logos is active in all of Jesus' human actions, and thus is fully present in the human. But still, God and humanity are always maintained as distinct.

I tend towards N T Wright's negative view of this whole approach, but it's not obviously self-contradictory. The main issues I have are (1) that while it makes Christ human, it implicitly (and sometimes explicitly) denies that there's an actual human being that we might call Jesus, and (2) it imposes an alien philosophical framework on Biblical language. But the critique quoted isn't right, I don't think.

You revealed some of the awkward interpretations that 'attempt' to justify the Trinity as the nature of God, but of course, it does not resolve the problem.

[tabibito]

You've asserted this repeatedly, but I've yet to see an explanation to why it isn't possible.

I've yet to find anyone who could provide a scriptural reference that supports the proposition of Jesus simultaneously being God and man.
Tassman (for once) is voicing a reasonable objection.

[Darth Executor]

This is Modalism, in the good ole days you would have been burned at the stake for such heresy.

"Modalism, also called Sabellianism, is the unorthodox belief that God is one person who has revealed himself in three forms or modes in contrast to the Trinitarian doctrine where God is one being eternally existing in three persons. According to Modalism, during the incarnation, Jesus was simply God acting in one mode or role, and the Holy Spirit at Pentecost was God acting in a different mode. Thus, God does not exist as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at the same time. Rather, He is one person and has merely manifested himself in these three modes at various times. Modalism thus denies the basic distinctiveness and coexistence of the three persons of the Trinity".

https://www.theopedia.com/modalism

No idiot, that's not modalism at all and the definition you quote is something entirely different from what Sparko is describing.