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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post"Self awareness" developed among many creatures as a by-product of intelligence. Its existence can be verified.
Originally posted by TassmanConversely there's no verifiable evidence of free-will similarly evolving.
Originally posted by TassmanSo, since you claim that libertarian free-will exists, you need to say when this occurred. Was it when all life consisted of microbial organisms? Did the dinosaurs have free-will? Or was it when life evolved via incremental stages into warm-blooded animals like us? When, and how do you know?...>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostYou haven't answered the question.What would be such evidence? Please give some (hypothetical) examples.
This doesn't necessarily mean that humans have no influence on the future and its events (this is Fatalism), but that the level to which humans have influence over their future is itself largely dependent on present and past.
Perhaps seer can answer that after you've answered his question.
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You haven't answered the question at all. Seer asked: " Where and how in the evolutionary tree did self-awareness develop?" The above is not an answer to that question, it gives no specifics as to 'where' and 'how'; and does no more than assume that since self awareness exists, it must be a result of evolutionary processes.
Originally posted by TassmanNo. YOU provide evidence of how determinism can be overridden by libertarian free-will, given that every event, decision and action is causally determined by an unbroken chain of prior occurrences.
This doesn't necessarily mean that humans have no influence on the future and its events (this is Fatalism), but that the level to which humans have influence over their future is itself largely dependent on present and past.
You've moved the goal posts. That's dishonest dialogue.
You said that "Conversely there's no verifiable evidence of free-will similarly evolving." Now asking for evidence of how "...determinism can be overridden by libertarian free-will" is a different question.
You can't provide such evidence for self-awareness; and you can't even give a hypothetical example of what such evidence for the evolution of free will could be. So you can neither yourself meet the standard of evidence you demand of others, nor even specify what could even possibly be evidence that would meet your demand. So you're trying to 'win' by demanding what you neither can do, nor can show is even possible to do.
Originally posted by TassmanWaiting!...>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI forgot your at the top of the list.
Please explain with citations how seer's quote does not show what a plain reading of it says. Are there some acknowledged Ba'hai scholars that follow your interpretations? Cite them in support....>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostYou haven't answered the question at all. Seer asked: " Where and how in the evolutionary tree did self-awareness develop?" The above is not an answer to that question, it gives no specifics as to 'where' and 'how'; and does no more than assume that since self awareness exists, it must be a result of evolutionary processes.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostSelf-awareness exists; it is measurable and can be tested via the mirror test and other experiments. Conversely, libertarian free-will is logically incoherent. It cannot exist in a universe wherein every event, decision and action is causally determined by an unbroken chain of prior occurrences. See the difference?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostTass that was not the point at all - you said: If we have free will, where and how in the evolutionary tree did it develop? But that is completely irrelevant to whether we have free will or not.
It is no more relevant to whether we are self-aware or not. As far as science goes who knows what it will say in the future - perhaps it will come to the conclusion that self-awareness is to an illusion - that there really is no individual self to be aware of.
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