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The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe OP said to be respectful, your trolling has been reported. Don't blame Jed this time.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYeah, I get ya. My problem with his success is that his writing and speaking fees is how he dupes the gullible.
If I reject B.G. for being successful preaching a message I don't happen to agree with, then I have to reject every self-help expert, every motivational speaker, and every post-career politician that ever existed. When someone sets out to dube the gullible, they deserve our disdain. When they are just preaching something they believe in that you do not happen to agree with, IMO, they do not.
I have to admit I am MORE impressed by men who preach this message and maintain a humble lifestyle (e.g., Ghandi, M.L.K., Mandela, etc.). But I do not begrudge someone their success.Last edited by carpedm9587; 02-21-2018, 03:16 PM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, actually the OP does not say that, and neither am I trolling. It's my honest opinion that they are frauds, both Billy and his son. And btw if there were a rule against trolling, you'd have to have banned yourself a long time ago, Sparko.
Originally posted by simplicio View PostA truly great man has moved on.
I am curious, what are your view on Graham? I think that it can be phrased respectfully, even if one does disagree.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThat is not a rule I endorse, or find even mildly acceptable. It is a horrendous statement on male/female relationships, and just another form of objectifying women, IMO
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostLook here... I'll bold the relative portion.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostAnd yet if other men had followed that rule recently there would be a lot fewer scandals in Hollywood and Congress. I think it is actually respectful to one's wife not objectifying. How is is objectifying?
(anecdotal, certainly, but I find it interesting)I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostAnd yet if other men had followed that rule recently there would be a lot fewer scandals in Hollywood and Congress. I think it is actually respectful to one's wife not objectifying. How is is objectifying?
In a business - it means a male boss cannot have a personnel review meeting with female subordinates, for no other reason than "they're female."
IMO, it's a ridiculous, and potentially harmful rule. I don't find it uplifting in the least. I find it degrading to the women is objectifies, and a pretty sad commentary on the people who feel they need to follow it.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThe man is basically saying, "Gee, I cannot be around a woman who's not my wife! What would people think?" That makes the other women basically sexual objects that, apparently, the person either cannot control themselves around, or thinks other people will think they cannot control themselves around.
In a business - it means a male boss cannot have a personnel review meeting with female subordinates, for no other reason than "they're female."
IMO, it's a ridiculous, and potentially harmful rule. I don't find it uplifting in the least. I find it degrading to the women is objectifies, and a pretty sad commentary on the people who feel they need to follow it.
Why view it so uncharitably?I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostFunny enough, the only time I've ever heard the rule condemned is from men....
(anecdotal, certainly, but I find it interesting)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...men/312576002/
http://www.konbini.com/us/lifestyle/...oure-an-idiot/
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/ji...men-from-power
I'll also be happy to put you in touch with my wife, every single one of her friends, every woman friend I have, and every woman in my family. The tally, thus far, is 100% AGAINST the Graham/Pence rule.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThat is not a rule I endorse, or find even mildly acceptable. It is a horrendous statement on male/female relationships, and just another form of objectifying women, IMO
Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThe man is basically saying, "Gee, I cannot be around a woman who's not my wife! What would people think?" That makes the other women basically sexual objects that, apparently, the person either cannot control themselves around, or thinks other people will think they cannot control themselves around.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThen you have not been listening.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...men/312576002/
http://www.konbini.com/us/lifestyle/...oure-an-idiot/
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/ji...men-from-power
I'll also be happy to put you in touch with my wife, every single one of her friends, every woman friend I have, and every woman in my family. The tally, thus far, is 100% AGAINST the Graham/Pence rule.I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostOr the man could be saying, "I cannot be around a woman who's not my wife, because then the barest possibility of temptation/scandal is avoided."
Why view it so uncharitably?
In short, if you need the rule - it might be time to evaluate just how much you have managed to mature as an adult.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostThis is not at all what is says. It says that a man should no go places alone with another woman. And what is wrong with avoiding the appearance of evil?
(being facetious, kinda, but maybe not)The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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