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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNo, that's your dishonest and disingenuous summary.
You made a statement - I pointed out the ramification. If that makes me dishonest/disengenous... so be it.
Personally, I think these ad hom attacks are just a way of avoiding the discussion.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostThat isn't how I read him at all.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postwell this thread is about Billy Graham which includes the BG rule. I only brought up guns to point out how you were being hypocritical. this is not the thread to discuss guns except in that context.
I was trying to get you to realize that you indeed do support 'policies that treat ALL people as untrustworkthy because a FEW people are.'
- so your objection to the BG rule based on that excuse falls flat.
And with that - I'll sign off from this discussion. It has essentially become a string of ad homs with no content - so I see no purpose in continuing. Frankly, this time I won't be reading subsequent posts either. So have at it.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAnd with that - I'll sign off from this discussion.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostIs that the best fallback you guys can muster? Really?
You made a statement - I pointed out the ramification. If that makes me dishonest/disengenous... so be it.
You as wrong about my statement as you are about the spelling of 'disingenuous' - AGAIN!
Personally, I think these ad hom attacks are just a way of avoiding the discussion.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostThere are a number of biblical teachings which can be cited. There is one I think you might understand.
"Abstain from all appearance of evil." From the Apostle Paul to the Thessalonian church. (1 Thessalonians 5:22) If nothing else the rule avoids the appearance of impropriety. That rule has served that purpose well.
Even if it did, the context suggests it refers to testing prophecies.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostThat does not appear in any of the translations I use.
Even if it did, the context suggests it refers to testing prophecies.
1 Thess 5:22 is among a bunch of admonitions and instructions.... it is not necessarily tied to the verse before it "as context".
KJV 12 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;
13 And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.
14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.
15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.
16 Rejoice evermore.
17 Pray without ceasing.
18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
19 Quench not the Spirit.
20 Despise not prophesyings.
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
25 Brethren, pray for us.
26 Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostA truly great man has moved on.
I am curious, what are your view on Graham? I think that it can be phrased respectfully, even if one does disagree.
Devoted preacher, but family life suffered bad because father was not there most of time.
Dem, lib, so influenced by libs in some ways. Attack on nixon for using foul language, but excused Clinton's adultery.
Preaching style probably bad influence on those with less pure motives, also numbers of converts he got.Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.
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For Neo-Remonstration (Arminian/Remonstrant ruminations): <https://theremonstrant.blogspot.com>
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIf you can truly know the trees by their fruit then there's a problem. But unlike carpe, I do have a problem with these multi-millionaire [C]hristian preachers. [emphasis added]For Neo-Remonstration (Arminian/Remonstrant ruminations): <https://theremonstrant.blogspot.com>
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostThe vast majority of Christians that I've encountered within my life (and certainly on this forum) would completely reject your second definition of "sinful nature". In fact, as far as I know, probably only the most extreme Calvinists, and perhaps a few way out there cultists like the Westboro church hold something like what you're suggesting.
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