Hugh Hefner is now in hell

[37818]

His only argument is that there is no scientific evidence for a god that he claims Christians believe in. His whole argument is dishonest. One has to decide whether the universe (meaning everything that is) simply happens to be what is, or that something not a part of it brought it into existence. Science can not touch that question.

Why do you say my argument is dishonest? Please give specifics.

[Sparko]

http://www.debunking-christianity.co...ules-tell.html

If you want to argue there is no God then don't ask questions about God. You can't have it both ways. If you are going to ask questions about why God would do this or that, you have to at least for the duration of the question, presuppose God exists. You can't ask why God would do blah blah blah, then when you don't like the answer, say "well there is no God so your answer is invalid"

[JimL]

The key is repentance, Jim.

Repentance, being sorry for ones actions, doesn't do the non-believer any good OBP. Unless by repentence you mean belief in, and humbling oneself to, Jesus.

[Sparko]

Repentance, being sorry for ones actions, doesn't do the non-believer any good OBP. Unless by repentence you mean belief in, and humbling oneself to, Jesus.

Repentance is not "being sorry"

But yeah you do have to humble yourself to Jesus in order to ask for salvation. As I said before "believing in God (and accepting Jesus as your savior) saves you from hell. The hell you will be going to for the sins you committed."

Believing in God saves you, but not believing in God is not why you go to hell. Your sins are why you go to hell.

[JimL]

Repentance is not "being sorry"

But yeah you do have to humble yourself to Jesus in order to ask for salvation. As I said before "believing in God (and accepting Jesus as your savior) saves you from hell. The hell you will be going to for the sins you committed."

Believing in God saves you, but not believing in God is not why you go to hell. Your sins are why you go to hell.

So, hypothetically speaking, say some individual never sinned, but died as an atheist, never having believed in god. Does this person go to heaven or Hell?

[Sparko]

So, hypothetically speaking, say some individual never sinned, but died as an atheist, never having believed in god. Does this person go to heaven or Hell?

Heaven. We already told you that children or mentally handicapped or insane will go to heaven without having to believe in God. They don't understand right from wrong. Sin has to be a deliberate act. Something you know is wrong but you do it anyway.

[JimL]

Heaven. We already told you that children or mentally handicapped or insane will go to heaven without having to believe in God. They don't understand right from wrong. Sin has to be a deliberate act. Something you know is wrong but you do it anyway.

And of course how sinful one is doesn't matter, a mass murderer like Hitler, Stalin or a serial killer like Ted Bundy, if in the end they came to believe, they would be saved, but if Ghandi or some other saintly type sinner doesn't happen to believe in your god, then off to hell they go?

[One Bad Pig]

Repentance, being sorry for ones actions, doesn't do the non-believer any good OBP. Unless by repentence you mean belief in, and humbling oneself to, Jesus.

Repentance means turning away from sin, not simply being sorry for one's actions. One cannot simultaneously repent and reject God. If one repents, but is ignorant of God, one may or may not be saved. I don't know; God knows.

[One Bad Pig]

And of course how sinful one is doesn't matter, a mass murderer like Hitler, Stalin or a serial killer like Ted Bundy, if in the end they came to believe, they would be saved, but if Ghandi or some other saintly type sinner doesn't happen to believe in your god, then off to hell they go?

If a mass murderer repents, they would be saved. What the world considers 'saintly' is not necessarily what God considers 'saintly'; one cannot reject God and be saintly.

[Sparko]

And of course how sinful one is doesn't matter, a mass murderer like Hitler, Stalin or a serial killer like Ted Bundy, if in the end they came to believe, they would be saved, but if Ghandi or some other saintly type sinner doesn't happen to believe in your god, then off to hell they go?

Yep. Because turning your life over and submitting to God and making Jesus your savior isn't just saying "I'm sorry" - you have to want to be changed, to submit to God and do as he wills. You become a slave of Christ and a new person.

[Jedidiah]

Why do you say my argument is dishonest? Please give specifics.

Tassman's argument is dishonest.

[Jedidiah]

If you want to argue there is no God then don't ask questions about God. You can't have it both ways. If you are going to ask questions about why God would do this or that, you have to at least for the duration of the question, presuppose God exists. You can't ask why God would do blah blah blah, then when you don't like the answer, say "well there is no God so your answer is invalid"

Another aspect of his (Tass) dishonesty.

[Jedidiah]

So, hypothetically speaking, say some individual never sinned, but died as an atheist, never having believed in god. Does this person go to heaven or Hell?

There is no competent human who is not under sin.

[JimL]

If a mass murderer repents, they would be saved. What the world considers 'saintly' is not necessarily what God considers 'saintly'; one cannot reject God and be saintly.

Why is it that you can't seem to understand that not believing in the existence of your god, is not rejecting him?

[JimL]

Yep. Because turning your life over and submitting to God and making Jesus your savior isn't just saying "I'm sorry" - you have to want to be changed, to submit to God and do as he wills. You become a slave of Christ and a new person.

But you people aren't slaves to Christ. Just saying you are, doesn't make it so. You are no different than non christians, sinners all, which is evident by your behavior right here on tweb. So how are you slaves to Christ?