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Originally posted by Darth Executor View Postwouldn't believing there's an alternate track for people who never heard of Jesus be even more self serving? It's not like you can get converts to a religion if they don't even know it exists so there's no opportunity cost like with full universalism.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View Postwouldn't believing there's an alternate track for people who never heard of Jesus be even more self serving? It's not like you can get converts to a religion if they don't even know it exists so there's no opportunity cost like with full universalism.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI did answer your point. many times now. You just ignore my answer, call it stupid and repeat yourself.
It is about you Jim. You are the one who can't seem to grasp the facts here.
Want to try it slowly?
1. If one person breaks the law by committing a felony the just thing is for them to be judged and put in prison. correct?
2. If a billion people break the law by committing a felony the just thing is for them to be judged and put in prison, correct?
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostYes, in your view, there not being any God.
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence; it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines". Bertrand Russell
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThere is no credible reason to think that such an entity or entities exist.
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence; it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines". Bertrand Russell
Here is a fact for you. You do have an idea of God. The God or gods you do not believe in.
Now my God is the Uncaused Existence. (Whose Name in Hebrew has been understood to mean the self-Existent. Proverbs 21:30. )
The universe even being defined as everything - would only be contingent in that Uncaused Existence. Uncaused Existence would be a key part of what makes up the universe - the universe being everything - but it, the universe being everything, would not be God, would only include God.
Now my guess is your idea of God is not the uncaused existence.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI was brought up catholic, the bible is a lie, and you are a material being, when you die you stay dead. Thats the end.
Would you please state just one, without a doubt, lie from the Bible? Give reference, and cite the evidence that what you cite is indisputably a lie.
Yes, I agree we are materially beings. As yet science does not yet understand what consciousness is.
Now the part about dying and staying dead - that materially seems to be the case as of right now.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe idea itself, that a god would exist just for, just for those of you who have heard of him is self serving. That there are billions of people who have existed that have never heard of your god, a god who according to your belief, will condemn them to an eternity in hell is a self serving ridiculous idea. There is no reason to believe such self serving nonsense.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostJust as I suspected you'd do, ignore the question you have no answer for. The just thing is that all people of god get the same opportunity to be saved, but if only some people have ever heard of your god, then they don't get that opportunity. Instead they go to hell. Self serving bs.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThere is no credible reason to think that such an entity or entities exist.
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence; it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines". Bertrand Russell
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostNo, if your god were a just god as you define him as being, then the opportunity would be the same for all. We know that it isn't the case, therefore its a stupid belief.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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I see, so another contradiction comes to the fore. Believing in Jesus is irrelevant, so long as one follows the christian laws. But the assertion of Christianity is that, none of us always follow the laws, we are all, whether believers or not, sinners, and the only way to be saved is to believe in Jesus. So which is it, do we have to believe in your god in order to be saved or not?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI see, so another contradiction comes to the fore. Believing in Jesus is irrelevant, so long as one follows the christian laws. But the assertion of Christianity is that, none of us always follow the laws, we are all, whether believers or not, sinners, and the only way to be saved is to believe in Jesus. So which is it, do we have to believe in your god in order to be saved or not?
You kinda suck at this whole attempt at playing "gotcha"
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