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What did the church fathers believe concerning Genesis?
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostStill waiting . . .for source by church fathers that provide an alternate view.
And an alternative view to what? I already offered a citation from a reputable scholar who holds an alternative interpretation to the early church writing in your OP. He concludes, contrary to your anonymous source that the Epistle of Barnabas takes a non-literal view of the six days creation account. There's no need to repost the writing as you've already posted it.
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Originally posted by whag View PostHow do you mean? The earliest fossils from billions of years ago are dead. Death is natural, but Christianity implies it was introduced.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThis illustrates the problem of those that expect the authors of these ancient texts to have a comprehension of the actual history of the universe, earth and life. They were writing from an ancient perspective.
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Originally posted by whag View PostToday, many are locked in that ancient perspective. It seems that Roy and seanD can't maintain belief without thinking death a relatively new thing that human beings are responsible for.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by whag View PostToday, many are locked in that ancient perspective. It seems that Roy and seanD can't maintain belief without thinking death a relatively new thing that human beings are responsible for.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThis illustrates the problem of those that expect the authors of these ancient texts to have a comprehension of the actual history of the universe, earth and life. They were writing from an ancient perspective.
So despite the early Christians thinking the earth may have been only 6000 years old, it wasn't a doctrinal issue with them as far as I can see (I'd love to see evidence for this, btw). It was simply how they saw the world. Associating the modern concept of YEC with them is anachronistic.
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Originally posted by GakuseiDon View PostThat's right, and that's why I would argue it is wrong to associate them with "YECs". That's a modern term, to describe the beliefs of a fundamentalist tradition that is not 200 years old. If people in Philo's and Origen's times had been given proof for an old earth, what would they have done with the information? As they had no problems with seeing the Bible through allegorical eyes, I doubt they would have had any theological concerns.
So despite the early Christians thinking the earth may have been only 6000 years old, it wasn't a doctrinal issue with them as far as I can see (I'd love to see evidence for this, btw). It was simply how they saw the world. Associating the modern concept of YEC with them is anachronistic.
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