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Originally posted by tabibito
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Name one... China perhaps? Russia?
Goodness - you got something right about Christianity.
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Most of Scandinavia, much of Europe, Australia, Canada, New Zealand. The most violent and inequitable nation of the Western world is the only one where Christianity still has real influence, i.e. the USA.
Yeah! But while Christianity remains feudal (according to you), the rest of the developed world has progressed and developed into tolerant representative democracies. -
The churches abandoned the principles of Christianity to pursue that course. Calling them Christian would be equivalent to a military dictator seizing control of a democratic country and have you still calling the country a democracy.
Interesting perspective.Most of Scandinavia, much of Europe, Australia, Canada, New Zealand. The most violent and inequitable nation of the Western world is the only one where Christianity still has real influence, i.e. the USA.
Look around - there's not a whole lot of "tolerant representative" in evidence - no more here than in the USA.Yeah! But while Christianity remains feudal (according to you), the rest of the developed world has progressed and developed into tolerant representative democracies.
Well, perhaps a bit more here: but it is being steadily eroded.Last edited by tabibito; 09-05-2015, 05:01 AM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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but that won't prevent others from
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http://www.logicalfallacies.info/pre...true-scotsman/Originally posted by tabibito View Post
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y-adjusted_HDIInteresting perspective.
Look around - there's not a whole lot of "tolerant representative" in evidence - no more here than in the USA.
Well, perhaps a bit more here: but it is being steadily eroded.Comment
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If you choose to see it as represented by the "no true Scotsman" fallacy, there is little that I can do about it. The "factually based perspective" is quite readily distinguishable in Church history - the single most significant event in post 65 (or thenabouts) AD Church history.
I note that Ireland comes in 10th, Israel 20th - both heavily influenced by religion, and even Malta and Italy rank ahead not only of the USA, but ahead of a whole swathe of non religious countries. If anything, the IHDI index is independent of religious affiliation.
Australia.
in Europe. And to this day, feudalism (within circumscribed areas) is far from irrelevant to Christianity - regardless of what the churches choose to make themselves.Regardless, apart from your religion, feudalism was mostly irrelevant by the 12th century.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
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of the right to call yourself Christian.
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What's this supposed to say other than some Christian conversions happen in places that are predominately another religion or religions? Is it supposed to take the sting out of your religion saying that non-Christians get eternally tortured for being other religions?Originally posted by Sparko View Postand yet Christianity started in an enculterated society of another religion (Judaism) and persecution and being hunted down and killed.
And today one of the largest Christian populations is in another enculturated society, China.
Also, you have to consider the type of evangelism that's causing Christianity elsewhere. You don't care if a Hinn or Bonnke spreads the fire, as long as there's ignition.Comment
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Viewing it as the "no true Scotsman" fallacy is the only realistic way to view it given the bloody history of Christianity.Originally posted by tabibito View Post
http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.htmlI note that Ireland comes in 10th, Israel 20th - both heavily influenced by religion, and even Malta and Italy rank ahead not only of the USA, but ahead of a whole swathe of non religious countries. If anything, the IHDI index is independent of religious affiliation.
Australia.in Europe. And to this day, feudalism (within circumscribed areas) is far from irrelevant to Christianity - regardless of what the churches choose to make themselves.Comment
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The argument that "the religion people take up is culturally determined" was addressed - your question is not related to the context of that issue.Originally posted by whag View Post
The torture story is interesting though - it is never stated in the Bible that anyone is actually inflicting torture - only that there will be anguish and suffering. I therefore regard the criticisms as overblown, specious, and self serving.
The rules that determine a valid identification as Christian are not made up by me - those rules are stated in the Bible. ("Scotsman fallacy" doesn't apply - the definitions are neither subjective nor ad hoc). It should therefore self evident that "prosperity gospel" preachers are not promoting Christianity. However, reports from China indicate a possibility that someone over there is.Also, you have to consider the type of evangelism that's causing Christianity elsewhere. You don't care if a Hinn or Bonnke spreads the fire, as long as there's ignition.Last edited by tabibito; 09-06-2015, 12:22 AM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by whag View Post
We share that same DNA. Explain that.
. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJVComment
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Well we all started out with the same DNA way back when.Originally posted by 37818 View Post We share that same DNA. Explain that.Comment
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This terribly problematic, and has been noted, the fallacy of the "true Scotsman." To give equal weight and prospective I could easily put forth the problem of who are the true atheists. IF I consider the true atheists as those that believe and support the Humanist Manifestos and the UU ideals, and those that followed Hitler, and Mao Tse Tong as not true atheists.Originally posted by tabibito View PostComment
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While I don't exactly agree - though it is true that fear of death is an excellent motivator to carefully consider Christianity - fear of drowning remains an excellent reason to reach for a life-raft.Originally posted by Darth Executor
This one would seem to be a non-sequitur in the context of the preceding discussion. Just as citing comments made in two different topics by two different people and pointing to an apparent contradiction is a non-sequitur.Originally posted by Darth Obvious
Originally posted by Darth VaderLast edited by tabibito; 09-13-2015, 01:04 AM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
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of the right to call yourself Christian.
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