Originally posted by seer
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"n contrast, I take consciousness to be a natural thing that plays a causal role in the world, just like other natural things, such as rocks."
But that doesn't necessarily place me in disagremment with Thinker, as I explained:
"Thinker, Jim, and Tassman likely disagree with you, because when you talk about consciousness, you're talking about some magical, non-natural thing, that you think causally influences that brain. Thinker, Jim and Tassman are unlikely to agree with you that such a thing has causal effects. However, if you were to accept that consciousness is a natural state had by the brain, then I think they'd be much more willing to agree that consciousness has effects, since they're likely open to the brain's states having causal effects."
I made this all very clear. But, as usual, you're unable to fairly represent the views of other people.
And no they all agree that decisions are made before we have conscious awareness, hence consciousness plays no casual role. Thinker even posted a number of studies supposedly demonstrating this.
And given your track-record of willfully misrepresenting other people, I don't take seriously your claims about what they said.
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