In case anyone is interested. Dr. Craig goes over some "Recent Responses to the Kalam Argument" in his latest podcast, covering a few of the issues brought up in this thread.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostIn case anyone is interested. Dr. Craig goes over some "Recent Responses to the Kalam Argument" in his latest podcast, covering a few of the issues brought up in this thread.
Or does your concern for truth only extend to truths you find ideologically-convenient?
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I don't think we're going to agree on the existential nature of "to be," so I'm going to focus in on what I find to be the more interesting bit.
Originally posted by Jichard View PostFirst, treating absences as real, existent things, looks like a reification fallacy.
Second, one can deny the existence of abstract entities (ex: nominalism). That's why I included "abstract" in my bi-conditional:
Third, suppose one thinks that absences could exist. I think it would still be the case that your explanation runs afoul of the distinction between properties/particulars, (or maybe the distinction between states and what those states occur in). To see why, note that typically when you discuss "the absence of X", you're discussing X's absence within a state of affairs. For example, when I mention "the absence of unicorns", I'm talking about an existent context in which unicorns are not present. This context might be the planet Earth up until now, or the universe, or ... So "the absence of unicorns" is said to be present in said contexts. One can phrase this as "the absence of unicorns" is a state within this existent context or that "an absence of unicorns" is a negative property instantiated by this particular context. This reasoning, if anything, is what would allow one to claim that absences could exist. However, this reasoning does not apply to this:Z : There is nothing iff for every concrete or abstract X, X does not existAfter all, given Z, there is not an existent context to act as the particular that instantiates the negative property of "absence of X" nor is there a context in which "the absence of unicorns" could be a state. Thus, it would make no sense to claim that an absence exists given Z. To say otherwise would be to conflate the existence contexts/particulars containing absences with the non-existence of contexts/particulars."[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
--Thomas Bradwardine, De Continuo (c. 1325)
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