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Ppl who are ATE UP with sin (LoF, LoE, PoL), will FIGHT to protect that stronghold; but they still want to feel good about themselves, so MANY of them will also be religious, attempting to justify themselves. (Note first, that if they are attempting to justify themselves, then it simply shows that they have NOT been justified by God/Christ; He doesn't need help "fixing" His Work.) God does not justify sin. God does not excuse sin. God HATES sin. Which is why He made a way of escape FROM sin.
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I met a woman who claimed to be going to God's church. As we talked, however, it became apparent that her church made it "easier" (to the flesh), to live without sin, but reducing the standards (effectively redefining words again). So, their approach was to make the Word of God as appealing to the worldliness and flesh as possible, FOR THE PURPOSE THAT THEY COULD CONTINUE TO SERVE THE FLESH WHILE CLAIMING TO SERVE GOD.
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God merely DECLARES them as righteous, even though they still sin. YIKES! Their God is NOT ONLY SO POWERLESS that He CANNOT defeat sin (but wait, they CLAIM that He DID! Wait, WHAT?!?), but that He then LIES to "cover it up!" (Yes, MANY actually teach that very thing. That God will SAY that sin is evil and WILL NOT tolerate it and that IT is what separates us from Him and THEN turn around and SAY that when we sin, we do not. What a LIAR and a HYPROCRITE their "god" is!) THE TRUE God will NEVER lie, will NEVER tolerate sin, will NEVER justify sin, WILL NOT "make a mountain so big even He cannot move it" ("covered by the Blood, so He CANNOT see") REALLY?!? GOD CANNOT see something?!?! FOOLISHNESS of FILTHINESS.
...OR... Maybe God IS POWERFUL. Maybe, as the Bible said, Jesus DID come to destroy the works of the devil. Maybe Jesus DID put to death Death (sin). Maybe we CAN do ALL things through Christ who strengthens us. Maybe the Bible DOES mean what it says! Maybe GOD means what He says! Maybe Jesus DID come to set the captives FREE! Maybe the Bible does NOT need these men who by necessity must presume "perfection" (although ADMITTING that they don't have this perfection) in order to correct the Bible, Jesus and God, as they are inaccurate, and mispoke. Wait, WHAT?!? The admittedly-imperfect ones "must" correct Jesus because He MISPOKE (made a MISTAKE = was IMPERFECT)? (eg. the woman caught in adultery--"What Jesus REALLY meant, was to not commit THAT sin any more." Wait, WHAT!?!? CAN we or CAN'T we control our sins? And if we CAN'T, then why would He tell her to quit ONLY THAT one, KNOWING that she ALLEGEDLY CAN'T? And why does He need them to CORRECT Him? Did Jesus IMPERFECTLY speak? Was He WRONG? (Oops. Maybe it's they hypocrites, claiming to be free from what they are still under bondage to, who are wrong? Maybe?) Of course, they neglect the entirety of the rest of the Bible, as well as the blind man who was also told to go and sin no more (but for whom no specific sin is mentioned) the rich young ruler who claimed to have lived sinless since his youth, Paul who professed that according to the Law he was perfect even before he was saved, etc. etc.]
The second option is correct. Christians do not sin. If they were redeemed from their sins, and then sinned again, they would again obtain that separation from God. (e.g. the parable of the man who was forgiven his great debt but then did evil again and his debt was reassigned.) This can be remedied by NOT repeating (repenting). It can also be prevented, if one were so sincere, by seeking out that in oneself which works against God and self, and rid it BEFORE it conceives sin--"CLEANING house" BEFORE it collapses. Sin IS separation from God. (Sinlessness is not communion with God, but a RESULT of communion with God. Faith PRODUCES works. This is HOW we know that nobody who sins is saved; it is proof-apparent of the diseased condition.)
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Problem 1: To claim that the Bible contradicts the Bible, is to claim that either the Bible is not the Word of God, or that God is inconsistent (ergo arbitrary and therefore His statements irrelevant). If the Bible is not the Word of God, then by what authority (superior to the authority of the Bible) do THEY claim to know the Word of God? The only viable solution is not that the Bible contradicts the Bible, but that someone is misunderstanding or misusing the Bible, usually via lack of context, and unfortunately based off a stronghold which will HEAR, SEE, and ACCEPT NO contradictions to their "right" to continue to sin. As one young man raged at me, while attempting to defend his "Christian" "right" to sin, he didn't care WHAT that says (pointing to the Bible, backing away, waving his hands, REFUSING to read a SINGLE verse, while previously claiming non-stop that it was the inerrant Word of God)! The problem, as told in the Bible, is not a lack of knowledge, but a SPIRITUAL condition (coming from a heart ATE UP with LoF, LoE, PoL).
I have heard MANY ppl claim and support the fallacy of sinning Christians, but as previously mentioned, they use non-stop fallacies, misquoted or misrepresented Bible (out-of-context, and often actually refuting their position), and/or just use the Bible to contradict the Bible (see just-mentioned "Problem 1").
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If there's a God, and He's ALL-powerful, and He came to DESTROY evil, then what would be unbelievable that His followers would allow such to occur in themselves? And, as this God allows free will, so that this choice is actually a choice, and that ppl follow Him from their heart and not as automatons, then this redemption, this "free gift" would ONLY apply to those who accepted it. And it will ONLY CURE those who APPLY the cure (Christ) TO their DISEASE (sin). And if Christ CANNOT defeat their sin, then He has failed, or they have not really turned from it (sin) to Him, to allow Him to DESTROY the evil works.
EVALUATE ALL the claims of "sinning Christians" and watch for the ludicrous parts; they will ALWAYS appear, since "sinning Christians" is as inherently contradictory as "cold heat," etc., and always leading to a "sinning Christ" which is IMPOSSIBLE.
"I couldn't help it."
1. Where was their "all-powerful" God during this?
2a. Did they TRY?
2b. WHAT did they DO to attempt this "try?"
2c. HOW SERIOUS did they make this "try?" Did they import that their very SOUL and ETERNITY depended on it? Did they treat it like GOD took it SERIOUS? Did they treat is "serious as SIN?" [That phrase used to mean something, because, excuses or not, ppl used to take sin to be more serious than a heart attack, after all, it is ETERNAL! They used to understand that SIN was DEATH, and therefore they were TORMENTED by their sins! And now, they treat them as negligible; Christ just swept them under the carpet (but COULD not DESTROY them?)]
3. Did you AVOID the situation that tempted to sin?
4. Did you know that you had this issue? And, presuming so, what DEEDS did you DO to PREVENT its recurrence? (Or, did you just let it sit there until it happened again, so you could claim, "I couldn't help it." I had an associate who claimed that "you can't help looking at a woman's body when she walks by." Oh, really? You lost control of your neck muscles and couldn't look the other way? "Well, I would still be thinking about her." (He really meant about her PARTS.) Oh, really? So you have NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT that would take that place in your heart/mind? If God matters so little to your heart, then at least, given your profession, why don't you use your MIND to distract yourself Think on something else. "I can't." Then, pinch yourself hard enough you CANnot focus on anything else. "That's extreme." He just implied that hell is not, sin is not, God is not, God doesn't care what He says about sin, etc. etc. And PAUL said, it would be better to pluck out your eye, but i'm extreme for suggesting that you merely offer sufficient distraction? And WHY were you looking at there that way to start with? Do you CARE how GOD sees her? Then why WON'T you look at her the way GOD sees her? Because he does not LOVE God, he LOVES the LoF, the LoE, and the PoL and merely "loves" God. They love me ALL the day long with their lips but their hearts are FAR from me. ARE YOU PROACTIVELY SEEKING TO ERADICATE ALL THAT IS NOT GOOD/GOD IN YOU, or just thinking about it, talking about, and MAKING EXCUSES for it?
"Can't help it; sin is in the flesh."
1. Uh oh. Jesus came in the flesh. Now they have a sinning Jesus.
2. "He came in the likeness of flesh." BUT, that has God being deceptive, AND WORSE...WHOEVER DENIES THAT CHRIST CAME IN THE FLESH IS AN ANTI-CHRIST. (Oops!)
Why don't ppl who CLAIM Christianity HATE sin and SEEK with ALL their MIGHT to ERADICATE it in themselves? Why WON'T they take sin SERIOUSLY? Why won't they FIGHT it NO MATTER WHAT? Why WON'T they LOVE God, SEEK His righteousness, so that His ways become THEIR ways, His vision becomes THEIR vision? LoF, LoE, PoL!! Why can they spend ENDLESS amounts of time and energy making excuses for sin and virtually NONE to eradicate it?? THAT ALONE SHOWS their HEARTS! Do you really think that if you were WILLING to see things the SAME way that God does, that your reactions would be different than His? That they would be no different than they are now? "It's a process..." BUT it starts with GOD is GOD!! So, OBEY until you understand all. Are they really claiming that they can't obey because they don't know better? RUBBISH! They KNOW they aren't supposed to do some things and are supposed to do others; it is GOD who they do not take serious--serious as "a heart attack" (since they no longer take sin serious, we'll use "heart attack"); they live in open rebellion and claim to love God. What?!?
Obviously this could go on forever, since their excuses will also. The point is: God is GOD! So, OBEY! And FOLLOW (SEEK His righteousness, to learn His Heart so that His Ways become your ways. But until then, quit acting like God's on trial, and that you don't have to obey until you feel it yourself, as though He has to CONVINCE you before you are required to capitulate (especially when such LITTLE effort has been put into this seeking and learning); it is YOU who is on trial (for sin, remember?), and you have FAILED if Christ has not redeemed you FROM (OUT OF) your sins.
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