About Psalm 137

[Cow Poke]

Wow.

Kind of ironic, given the verse we are discussing. The Israelites were thinking with glee about the children of their emenies being bashed on rocks.

That's not just ignorant, it's profoundly ignorant.... the Jews were weeping -- the psalm begins with weeping. "By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept when we remembered Zion."

Modern Christiand are thinking with glee about their enemies "getting married off to some fat greasy sheikh". Good to see humanity has come so far.

Not Modern Christiand [sic], just our beloved Darthy.

[The Pixie]

That's not just ignorant, it's profoundly ignorant.... the Jews were weeping -- the psalm begins with weeping. "By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept when we remembered Zion."

My bad, I should have said antipating being happy when the kids were bashed on the rocks and the ungrateful feminists having burkhas slapped on their heads then getting married off to some fat greasy sheikh

[Cow Poke]

My bad, I should have said antipating being happy when the kids were bashed on the rocks and the ungrateful feminists having burkhas slapped on their heads then getting married off to some fat greasy sheikh

Yeah, that makes you look less ignorant.



NOT

[Cerealman]

My bad, I should have said antipating being happy when the kids were bashed on the rocks and the ungrateful feminists having burkhas slapped on their heads then getting married off to some fat greasy sheikh

anticipating*

[The Pixie]

Yeah, that makes you look less ignorant.
NOT

But that is what they said. The author of the Psalm was anticipating (thanks Cerealman) someone being happy (or blessed depending on translation) and Darth E. was anticipating getting a kick out of something. What are you objecting to?

[Cow Poke]

But that is what they said. The author of the Psalm was anticipating (thanks Cerealman)

Ah, so not only can you not SPELL anticipating, you're ignorant as to what it entails!

someone being happy (or blessed depending on translation)

They were asking for retribution. That's clear from the context -- the entire psalm.

[The Pixie]

Ah, so not only can you not SPELL anticipating, you're ignorant as to what it entails!

Do you mean that in the Psalm they are anticipating happiness for someone else, while DE anticipates his own happiness?

They were asking for retribution. That's clear from the context -- the entire psalm.

Yes, I know. Did they expect that retribution to happen? If so, they were anticipating someone's happiness at that point.

[Cow Poke]

Do you mean that in the Psalm they are anticipating happiness for someone else, while DE anticipates his own happiness?

Yes, I know. Did they expect that retribution to happen? If so, they were anticipating someone's happiness at that point.

Pix,

Do not be afraid of this shark, cause it's not really a shark. It can't bite you or harm you in any way. It is only a PICTURE of a shark.

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[Kelp(p)]

That's why I'd place it yet in the future:

Source: KJV

Psalms 138:4 All the kings of the earth shall praise thee, O LORD, when they hear the words of thy mouth.

Psalms 138:5 Yea, they shall sing in the ways of the LORD: for great is the glory of the LORD.

Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

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Seems kind of silly to me for Christians to believe some parts of Psalms are prophetic and Messianic but dismiss others out of hand without a good reason.

So you think that in the future, every nation on earth will become a monarchy with a male head so popular and powerful that the people actually care what his religion is?

[Kelp(p)]

Their resistance to birth control is explained by their adherence to Aquinas' Natural Law theory to some degree, isn't it? I imagine that both the abortion and the birth control issue find a common denominator in Natural Law.

Mmhm. Wasting sperm was a big deal to him.

Arguably. I don't think it will though.

I hope it won't, yeah.

[whag]

The Catholic Church has always been against birth control for reasons that don't have much to do with abortion.

They're definitely related. There's a reason Mother Theresa often addressed both topics together, essentially fusing them into one movement. Also, you're missing the fact that the best way to reduce abortions is by giving women reproductive control.

Adrift is correct that it's rooted in their adherence to natural law:

There is arguably a danger that it will spread to their Protestant and Orthodox fellow travelers, though.

In calling the expulsion of a zygote "murder," Sparko seems awfully close. I'd say the Catholics have put the movement behind another 20 years with their course-grained approach.

[Darth Executor]

regardless of the methods used.

Saying something works well is not the same as endorsing it.

The same countries were vastly superior to the rest of the planet before even though they were overtly Christian. Comparing different populations and pointing out that one is better because of X is stupid. You want to control variables as much as possible, which is why comparing Europe today with Europe 200 years ago and seeing how it fares relative to the rest of the world in each instance is a vastly superior measurement. Since liberals have hijacked educational institutions it's not surprising that their deranged offshoots are more popular among the more educated. The reason why they got hijacked in the first place is because Christianity acquired the abnormal degree of tolerance that you preach, probably as a product of economic success. They allowed outgroups into their institutions in good faith and those outgroups used their power to wreck them. Of course, that philosophy is now biting you in the behind since other outgroups (like fundamentalist muslims) are benefitting from your own abnormal degree of tolerance.

They're stagnating at a high point built on the bones of better men. And that's just financially. Culturally and socially they are at the worst they've ever been.

Conversely, the much more religious USA has more gun violence, the highest rates of incarceration and greatest wealth inequity of any equivalent nation.

Yes, thanks to particular minorities with grossly disproportionate crime rates. And while those minorities may be Christian (at least nominally), most pledge fealty to the atheist progressive machine, so the blame for their failure falls on people like you.

Your love of humanity is touching. <sarcasm> You gotta love Christians.

Love is a modern invention. My charity certainly is vast though, thanks for noticing.

[Kelp(p)]

Do you mean that in the Psalm they are anticipating happiness for someone else, while DE anticipates his own happiness?

Yes, I know. Did they expect that retribution to happen? If so, they were anticipating someone's happiness at that point.

Happy for what? Happy at the dead babies or happy that their enemy Edom has been brought low? In that time of very limited resources and care options, killing the children was a common part of ancient warfare. It wasn't personal, it was just assuring that they didn't grow up and start a blood feud against you and your own children. Arguably, it was even kinder than letting them live to die of starvation or get captured by slavers.

As much as we might wish it was not so, it was a dog eat dog world back then.

[whag]

Happy for what? Happy at the dead babies or happy that their enemy Edom has been brought low? In that time of very limited resources and care options, killing the children was a common part of ancient warfare. It wasn't personal, it was just assuring that they didn't grow up and start a blood feud against you and your own children. Arguably, it was even kinder than letting them live to die of starvation or get captured by slavers.

As much as we might wish it was not so, it was a dog eat dog world back then.

Tell that to the Midianite boys Moses ordered killed AFTER they'd been seized. I'd argue the kinder thing would've been to raise them, not strangle them (or however they were dispatched).

[Cow Poke]

We're getting WAY off the topic....

Psalm 137 is about Jews in captivity. being mocked by their captors to "play the songs of Zion".
In frustration, they cry out to God for retribution.
They want payback.

It is NOT about God blessing baby killers.