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I - an atheist - am morally better than the Christian God
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostGod is the Eternal Infinite Good. And evil needs temporal finite good in order for it, evil, to even exist. Not acknowledging, mere denial, does not refute God being the Eternal Infinite Good nor the truth evil needs temporal finite good in order for it, evil, to even exist.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostHere's why: I know how to rid the universe of evil without impacting the free will of its inhabitants. Even better, I will do this the instant I'm granted the ability to do so.
The Christian God already has this ability, and refuses to use it.
This makes me morally superior to him.
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The problem of evil can be solved instantly in this way: prevent the birth of anyone who will freely choose to do evil.
This avoids forcing people to make choices they wouldn't make themselves. Free will conundrum resolved, and all evil stopped; the universe becomes as sinless as heaven, and the need for Hell is gone.
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How do I apply for the promotion to godhood?
IMO, "evil" is selfishness, which covers a lot of ground, and everyone has it and has acted upon it to some degree. So to prevent the birth of anyone who will choose evil eliminates everyone.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostSee my signature.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostFirst, you will need to define "evil."
Originally posted by Ronson View PostIMO, "evil" is selfishness, which covers a lot of ground, and everyone has it and has acted upon it to some degree. So to prevent the birth of anyone who will choose evil eliminates everyone.
If you take evil to mean selfishness, that's fine. I don't, and my argument didn't either. In fact we can just assume for the sake of argument that the word means whatever it means in Christian theology.Last edited by Whateverman; 07-25-2020, 07:12 PM.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostI'm saying that if Bob(an evil jerk that kicks puppies and children) never existed, then what about his daughter Jane(nice person that will run many genuine charities that help children and animals)? How can Jane exist, unless Bob exists to be her biological father and donate half of her DNA?"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostSee my signature.I can solve the problem of evil without interfering with anyone's free will. So can your God, but he refuses. This is why I'm His moral superior.Last edited by 37818; 07-25-2020, 07:25 PM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostFor srarters you are not eternal nor infinite. God promises a new universe. And in order to be an atheist you have to deny that God is God. And Christians who actually know God cannot not know God. All the many former professing Christians who now call themselves atheists were never really the Christians they thought they were. John 17:3.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostI disagree. The problem of evil is the subject, and plenty of people are able to understand that classic theological conundrum without needing a definition of "evil".
I mean, if you're going to change the common meaning of the word, of course my argument falls apart. I could similarly change the meaning of "God", and similarly invalidate Christian theology.
If you take evil to mean selfishness, that's fine. I don't, and my argument didn't either. In fact we can just assume for the sake of argument that the word means whatever it means in Christian theology.
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Originally posted by Ronson View PostExactly. I have no way of knowing how you define "evil" without some clarification.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostNone of this is relevant to the fact that I can solve the problem of evil without interfering with anyone's free will. So can your God, but he refuses. This is why I'm His moral superior.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostYour claim is not true. The problem of evil will not be gone until the New Heaven and Earth is here.
He doesn't, though - but I do. I will the instant I have the ability.
That's what makes me his moral superior.
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostYou know what the problem of evil is, though, right? Just assume i'm using the word in the same way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil
You claim that by preventing evil people from being born you can eliminate evil. Correct? Then your definition of evil appears to be that it is a core affliction of only some people, and others are not evil, because you can sort them out.
So a person who commits one evil act in his lifetime (and who might regret it immediately afterward) should be prevented from being born. Correct? How many people do you think this would include? Maybe all of humanity?
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Originally posted by Whateverman View PostYour God could get rid of it today if He wanted to.
He doesn't, though - but I do. I will the instant I have the ability.
That's what makes me his moral superior.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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