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Did the Jews really kill Jesus?
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostI am amazed by your answer. Oh well."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostWhere did you read it.
Should you require a reading list please let me know.
Best wishes
H_A"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostI don't think that is what mike meant."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostTo a first century Jew the Kingdom of God would have been a theocratic state with an anointed king under god, and with no infidel Romans.
https://ntwrightpage.com/2016/07/12/...g-the-kingdom/
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostYou might find the following lecture from N.T. Wright interesting:
https://ntwrightpage.com/2016/07/12/...g-the-kingdom/
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostYou might find the following lecture from N.T. Wright interesting:
https://ntwrightpage.com/2016/07/12/...g-the-kingdom/
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostUnless you can actually demonstrate that it is leading him to make erroneous conclusions NT Wright's bias is irrelevant.
Now, if the argument reveals that personal beliefs and biases are causing the person to present a faulty line of reasoning, or cherry pick evidence and the like, by all means point it out. And be precise. Not just a vague, general statement.
After that you can fairly dismiss the source. But doing so preemptively, without bothering to even so much as glance or skim over what they say is just improper and inappropriate.
And, btw, I'll be the first to acknowledge that I tend to do the latter as well from time to time. Actually, more often than I probably realize. Often it is just a time issue and I figure that I can elaborate if asked/challenged. And of course at other times I'm just being lazy.
Still, it is best to strive to not summarily dismiss something without giving a valid reason for doing so.
And, no, saying they suck, that their RWNJs, or whatever doesn't cut it.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostMy reply may amaze you but I cited known historical events.
You are saying that since everyone among the Jews was expecting the Messiah to come around that time, that Jesus is not the Messiah. This was the time prophesied for the Messiah and Jesus came, who also was differentiated from other claims. Jesus proved to be the Messiah as we see by other prophesies and by resurrection. (No other messianic claims resulted in resurrection of that person.) You have to at least discuss some things within the record or you just lose all credibility.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostYou are saying that since everyone among the Jews was expecting the Messiah to come around that time, that Jesus is not the Messiah.
Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostThis was the time prophesied for the Messiah and Jesus came, who also was differentiated from other claims. Jesus proved to be the Messiah as we see by other prophesies and by resurrection. (No other messianic claims resulted in resurrection of that person.)Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostYou have to at least discuss some things within the record or you just lose all credibility."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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