Did the Jews really kill Jesus?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Sure. It was important that Paul has said everything about his life whether or not it was applicable to the audiences or to the purpose of his writings.

It is not a contradiction to be both a Pharisee and a Roman citizen. I have not seen the estimates of Sadducees and Pharisees that got Roman citizenship or higher status. Why would his citizenship status prevent him from being a Pharisee?

Roman Citizenship p.422 A N Sherwin- White. 1973



In other words Jews were very reluctant to become Roman citizens.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

I would have thought you would recognize some areas where Paul affirms his Jewish background.]Paul does not tell us a great deal about his background. You maybe get into the debate whether some of the Pauline letters were not by Paul. However, that theory probably is rejected because the Pauline letters are found to remain together from the earliest discoveries of his letters.

Rom 9:1-6 -- he speaks of his fellow countrymen


Philipians 3:3-6 -- he speaks of his background as a Pharisee


If you are being hyper technical, Paul has probably not used the word we translate as "Jew" to speak of himself. There may be rhetorical reasons for this or he had more specific terms he used, as needed. However, by common parlance today, Paul called himself Jewish. (I'll sometimes use more cautious or exacting terms as needed, but I don't deny the common vernacular.)

James the Brother of Jesus, p 297-298].

In other words, he may well have been reinventing himself.

[DesertBerean]

What are your credentials on this? You read Biblical languages? Familiar with the early church fathers and their writings?

[mikewhitney]

Roman Citizenship p.422 A N Sherwin- White. 1973



In other words Jews were very reluctant to become Roman citizens.

Thanks. This sounds like a useful book. If Paul had been from Jerusalem, it would be less likely for him to have citizenship status. Paul's family was more likely cooperating with the logistical needs of the Roman army and thus gained the citizen status as a result. He may have downplayed it during his training but affirmed his status when needed. We can talk about the average Jew, and we can consider specific variances from the norm.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Thanks. This sounds like a useful book. If Paul had been from Jerusalem, it would be less likely for him to have citizenship status. Paul's family was more likely cooperating with the logistical needs of the Roman army and thus gained the citizen status as a result.

On what evidence?

He may have downplayed it during his training but affirmed his status when needed. We can talk about the average Jew, and we can consider specific variances from the norm.

Do tell me what you consider to be the "average Jew"at this period?

[mikewhitney]

On what evidence?
This I think was described in Rediscovering Paul by Capes, et.al. But I'm not able to verify it at this time. It seems to be an attempt to put the known pieces into a bigger picture.

Do tell me what you consider to be the "average Jew"at this period?

I was using your quote about the Jewish sentiment against the government. However, we see a level of cooperation with government in John 11:45-52.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

I was using your quote about the Jewish sentiment against the government.

Just a question, what do you know about first century Judaism and the socio-political situation in first century Judaea?

[DesertBerean]

What are your credentials on this? You read Biblical languages? Familiar with the early church fathers and their writings?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

What are your credentials on this? You read Biblical languages? Familiar with the early church fathers and their writings?

Why the curiosity?

[Cow Poke]

Why the curiosity?

It's a fair question.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

It's a fair question.

If a contributor wants my CV then want will be their master.

[Cow Poke]

If a contributor wants my CV then want will be their master.

That's cute.

[DesertBerean]

If a contributor wants my CV then want will be their master.

A resume would be fine to start with.

It would be good to know how much time and effort one has spent in knowing the source materials that inspires all the massive analyses of the same. I noticed you refer a great deal to the literature and books you studied - which is great - but perhaps I missed where you have knowledge of the source languages and the early historical views of the documents in question.

[Cow Poke]

A resume would be fine to start with.

It would be good to know how much time and effort one has spent in knowing the source materials that inspires all the massive analyses of the same. I noticed you refer a great deal to the literature and books you studied - which is great - but perhaps I missed where you have knowledge of the source languages and the early historical views of the documents in question.

And we've run into people who are simply good at Googling things and doing copy/paste. I think it's a fair question.

[Sparko]

Benjamin was one of the two surviving 12 tribes, Judah and Benjamin. Collectively they were referred to as "Jews"