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The Roman Church response to the atrocious scandals; "The Devil made me do it!"
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Even the largely contemptuous article you cite doesn't descend to the level of your thread title's inaccurate summation, shunya.
The pope is correct that satan exists and sows division, and there's nothing wrong with the prayer he wants said:
Unfortunately, he's also badly wrong about how he's handling the sex abuse scandal.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostEven the largely contemptuous article you cite doesn't descend to the level of your thread title's inaccurate summation, shunya.
The pope is correct that satan exists and sows division, and there's nothing wrong with the prayer he wants said:
Unfortunately, he's also badly wrong about how he's handling the sex abuse scandal.
The summation is right on. As with the atrocious scandals and cover up over a long history in this view the failure to take personal responsibility for one's actions, blaming a mythical figure, and the problem of unquestioned divine authority.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostAs with the atrocious scandals and cover up over a long history in this view the failure to take personal responsibility for one's actions, and the problem of unquestioned divine authority.
As a Christian I believe in the devil too and that he works in the world along with his agents to harm the church. But the people who abuse children are still responsible for their actions. I didn't see the Pope saying any differently.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThis problem is not related to the prayer. The prayer is fine.
The summation is right on. As with the atrocious scandals and cover up over a long history in this view the failure to take personal responsibility for one's actions, blaming a mythical figure, and the problem of unquestioned divine authority.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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As usual shuny sees only what he wants to see.
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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostAs with the atrocious scandals and cover up over a long history in this view the failure to take personal responsibility for one's actions, and the problem of unquestioned divine authority.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI wonder if they'd be having these problems if they had employed "the Billy Graham rule" that liberals love to mock.
Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostAll they really needed to do was to not insist on "celibacy" for their clergy. Not that it would have prevented all issues, but maybe would have prevented a great deal of them.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostHow would that have presented all the homosexual assaults on boys?
Of course, in a works-based system that says that all you need to do is confess your sin to another priest and do so much penance lets any sort of sinful behaviour run rampant, imo.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostHow would that have presented all the homosexual assaults on boys?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostI probably should have clarified that allowing the clergy to marry might have prevented a lot of these assaults. Perhaps the propensity to assault boys might not have been so prevalent in married clergy.
Of course, in a works-based system that says that all you need to do is confess your sin to another priest and do so much penance lets any sort of sinful behaviour run rampant, imo.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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