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Originally posted by Sparko View PostHow about the previous post of yours?
Each of us strives to be the best person we can as measured by our sense of "best." I'm not different in that respect. I make no claims to being perfect at accomplishing it - or even better than anyone else. I do know that the kind of person MM apparently is perfectly comfortable being is not the kind of person I want to strive to be. If that makes me "holier than thou" - so be it. I can live with the designation.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIn other words, your "Where is this behavior exhibited in the Bible?" argument just blew up in your smug little face.
As my pastor once said, Jesus was always loving, but he wasn't always nice.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI believe the statement says, "it's not the kind of person I want to be." It doesn't say "I never do that so I'm better than you."
Each of us strives to be the best person we can as measured by our sense of "best." I'm not different in that respect. I make no claims to being perfect at accomplishing it - or even better than anyone else. I do know that the kind of person MM apparently is perfectly comfortable being is not the kind of person I want to strive to be. If that makes me "holier than thou" - so be it. I can live with the designation.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYou clearly implied you were better than him because he WAS the kind of person you said you didn't want to be. ipso facto.
It's not clear how any of this makes anyone "holier than thou." But if that's how I'm perceived...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI could as easily have pointed to Rogue's or Sparko's mocking memes.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI'm very curious, MM - do you see your behavior here, especially to nonchristians, as "loving?"
"What Is Love?"Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
I love my sons and have challenged them many times. I do not confuse "love" with "huggy" and "feel good." Sometimes, love is "tough." It does not have to be mocking and condescending and belittling. That is not love. It's just trolling and satisfying a desire to justify childish behavior.
I don't admire it. I don't aspire to it. I would never tolerate it from my children. I certainly will not befriend anyone who confuses their need to act that way with "love."Last edited by carpedm9587; 10-10-2018, 03:14 PM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI do indeed think that anyone who delights in childishly mocking and belittling other people, and defends the behavior, is behaving in an immoral fashion and someone who does not do those things is behaving in a more moral fashion. I try not to do those things, so I do indeed see myself as more moral than MM with respect to that issue. That's a function of how we view the world through our individual moral lenses. Of course, I also support the LGBTQ community and do not see many sexual acts as "moral issues," so I'm sure there are many here who consider me "morally depraved," and hence see themselves as "better." That's basically how morality works.
It's not clear how any of this makes anyone "holier than thou." But if that's how I'm perceived...
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostLook you asked where you were doing it as if you were not, and I showed you. Now you are just trying to justify your behavior.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI do indeed think that anyone who delights in childishly mocking and belittling other people, and defends the behavior, is behaving in an immoral fashion and someone who does not do those things is behaving in a more moral fashion.
The irony, of course, is that you (and others who share your opinion) understand the effectiveness of using shame to compel a change in behavior, or to at least draw attention to behavior that you feel is wrong, but hypocritically, you think that only you know how to employ it "correctly", and that people like me do it "incorrectly" simply because you happen to disagree with rather charming style of debate.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostCould have, but didn't.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThen definitely - I see your definition and expression of "love" as seriously twisted.
I love my sons and have challenged them many times. I do not confuse "love" with "huggy" and "feel good." Sometimes, love is "tough." It does not have to be mocking and condescending and belittling. That is not love. It's just trolling and satisfying a desire to justify childish behavior.
I don't admire it. I don't aspire to it. I would never tolerate it from my children. I certainly will not befriend anyone who confuses their need to act that way with "love."Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostCorrect. I chose a single example as an example. But hey, if you'd like to make it all about you... go for it!Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAgain with the antagonistic language. You could have struck the word "childishly" from this sentence, and it would not have changed your overall point.
Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostHowever, you deliberately used that term to insult me.
Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostNow before you attempt to defend yourself (I suspect you want to say something like, "I don't use the term to be insulting but to be accurate," or another similarly lame excuse), you should understand that I don't care. Insult me all you want. I dish it out, but I can also take it.
Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThe irony, of course, is that you (and others who share your opinion) understand the effectiveness of using shame to compel a change in behavior, or to at least draw attention to behavior that you feel is wrong, but hypocritically, you think that only you know how to employ it "correctly", and that people like me do it "incorrectly" simply because you happen to disagree with rather charming style of debate.
And, at this point, this has cycled around enough. I think my view has been adequately documented and expressed. I don't expect you to make on iota of change as a result, so continuing the discussion is pointless. Indeed, initiating the discussion was probably pointless. Enough said. I'll leave the last word to you.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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