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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostI was more thinking of an analysis of the two statements in order to show how they're logically inconsistent with each other.
Most people would think it improbable that a God who valued reason and logic would be indifferent to whether his followers used them to make the most important decision of their lives.
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostI wasn't talking about logical consistency. I was talking about what someone would reasonably expect to be the case if they weren't antecedently committed to a religious dogma that required both statements to be true.
Most people would think it improbable that a God who valued reason and logic would be indifferent to whether his followers used them to make the most important decision of their lives.
From what I've read of your posts so far I didn't expect you to be the kind of person who'd use something so blatantly fallacious as "most people..." as an argument for anything.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostFrom what I've read of your posts so far I didn't expect you to be the kind of person who'd use something so blatantly fallacious as "most people..." as an argument for anything.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Posthe is more interested in claiming a "gotcha" by twisting what I said into something else.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, he's just making sense which isn't something you're interested in. To say that god gave you reason and logic but that he doesn't care about whether one uses it or not, well, that's really kind of unreasonable and illogical.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postexcept that is not what I said.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWhether you said it outright or not is irrelevant, you implied it. People either think through their beliefs, make a personal decision one way or the other, ya know, using reason and logic, or they don't really believe, they're just unworthy sheep.
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