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Originally posted by JimL View PostThat god cares at all, of course, is only if god exists, otherwise the only god that cares is the imaginary one in your head. Most of us non-believers are such because we see the gospels as ridiculous nonsense writ in a time of obvious ignorance and extreme naivete.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View Postr/iamverysmartVeritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThat god cares at all, of course, is only if god exists, otherwise the only god that cares is the imaginary one in your head. Most of us non-believers are such because we see the gospels as ridiculous nonsense writ in a time of obvious ignorance and extreme naivete.
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostOf course. But neither is it rational just because someone else says it is.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostThank you for your candor. I rarely encounter apologists who will admit that.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostThank you for your candor. I rarely encounter apologists who will admit that.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostDoes it matter that the village nuts stay away because they don't like the smell?
Originally posted by Sparko View PostYou spread the word and some people listen to you because they trust you
Originally posted by Sparko View Postothers because they check the bridge and it shows signs of collapse
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostOnly if rationality is nothing more than a matter of personal judgment. I don't think it is. What else it could be, though, is something philosophers have been arguing about for as long as there have been philosophers.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostNot in the immediate situation. But if they are routinely so oblivious to simple logic, the long-term consequences are unlikely to be what they will like.
Whether they should or should not trust me depends on their reasons for trusting me.
Those are the most sensible ones. They now have a reason to believe that the bridge is unsafe that does not depend on one person's credibility.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postagreed, those who check the information are the smartest. Because you never know if the bridge is really safe or not until you check. But in this analogy, the bridge IS unsafe, so even the irrational ones were saved which goes to my point that God doesn't really care how you come to believe in him, only that you do.
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Originally posted by seer View PostWell we could use the laws of logic, but that would not bear on the question much.
Originally posted by seer View PostAfter all much of our faith revolves the personal inner witness of the Holy Spirit and not necessarily philosophical arguments, though they can be useful.
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