I mean what is not to like, you get to make up your own moral code, live by it, then claim to be virtuous.
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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Originally posted by seer View PostI mean what is not to like, you get to make up your own moral code, live by it, then claim to be virtuous.Last edited by shunyadragon; 08-16-2018, 04:51 PM.
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Originally posted by seer View PostI mean what is not to like, you get to make up your own moral code, live by it, then claim to be virtuous.Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe Common Law history represents the evolution of humanist morals and ethics as applied to legal systems in the Western world.Last edited by Tassman; 08-16-2018, 11:41 PM.
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I'm not claiming that I live virtuously, just the opposite in light of New Testament moral principles. My point, if one is a devout believer he has an objective or universal standard to live up to. The atheist has no such standard. It would be perfectly rational for him or her to reject any moral code that he is having difficultly living up to and lower the bar so that the new goal in within reach.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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I'm not saying that one goes around killing, but why not change your moral code as you see fit? Lower the bar? If you have ethical ideals that are beyond your reach, why not just change those ideals so that they are easily reached? For instance, you would like to be kind and generous to all men, but you just can't find it in you to do so, well lower the standard to a reachable goal - say just to some men who reciprocate. It would be perfectly rational for the atheist to do this.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI'm not claiming that I live virtuously, just the opposite in light of New Testament moral principles. My point, if one is a devout believer he has an objective or universal standard to live up to.Originally posted by seerThe atheist has no such standard. It would be perfectly rational for him or her to reject any moral code that he is having difficultly living up to and lower the bar so that the new goal in within reach.
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But they can, what is preventing from changing your moral code to fit your desires? I mean within reason.
Good example. Say you are attracted to a married woman, and she to you. If you if presently think it is immoral why not just change your moral ideal so you can have an affair?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostIndividuals do not determine codes of morals and ethics, because cultures and societies determine the morals and ethics. As far as humanists, agnostics and atheists go, the Humanist Manifesto is the only code of ethics and morals that would represent these belief systems. The Common Law history represents the evolution of humanist morals and ethics as applied to legal systems in the Western world.
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The working premise need only be that there is no god. Unfortunately for most, if not all, atheists have a fundamental problem with absolute truths.
And those who actually know God could not honestly make that premise.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by seer View PostBut they can, what is preventing from changing your moral code to fit your desires? I mean within reason.
Good example. Say you are attracted to a married woman, and she to you. If you if presently think it is immoral why not just change your moral ideal so you can have an affair?
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Originally posted by seer View PostI mean what is not to like, you get to make up your own moral code, live by it, then claim to be virtuous.
Since it doesn't make a bit of difference what I say, I see no point right now in going through the exercise one more time. Maybe sometime later.
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