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This forum is open discussion between atheists and all theists to defend and debate their views on religion or non-religion. Please respect that this is a Christian-owned forum and refrain from gratuitous blasphemy. VERY wide leeway is given in range of expression and allowable behavior as compared to other areas of the forum, and moderation is not overly involved unless necessary. Please keep this in mind. Atheists who wish to interact with theists in a way that does not seek to undermine theistic faith may participate in the World Religions Department. Non-debate question and answers and mild and less confrontational discussions can take place in General Theistics.
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So Easy To Be An Atheist!
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostHmm, sort of like what christians do while pretending that their morals exist objectively.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostNope, Christian moral principles have influenced cultures for two thousand years, what do you have Jim? And we don't pretend that the law of God exists, we really believe it, what does the atheist have Jim?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSeer, you don't even know what those supposed objectively existing moral laws are, excepting for the few that are enumerated in the bible and even a few of those, like thou shalt not covet thy neighbors whatever, are ridiculous. And what we athiests have is the same thing you have, except that we understand where they come from, i.e. human reason, and why.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seerJim I have no idea what you mean, who is the "we atheists?" Maoists? Stalinists? Pol Pot? Castro? Mengistu Mariam, Lenin? You - who grew up in a largely Christian culture? And what do you mean that you understand where they came from? That your moral sense is the accidental by product of the evolutionary process?
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Originally posted by JimL View Post"We" means those of us on the other side of the morality argument seer. And no, that's not what I mean. What I mean is that we, the human community, derive moral laws through experience by reason and logic by recognizing that they are in our best interests as a people living in community. You can stop with the tyrant nonsense now.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI mean what is not to like, you get to make up your own moral code, live by it, then claim to be virtuous.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostMoral norms are set mostly by custom and tradition. But they do evolve gradually. It is nothing for you to be alarmed about. Atheists are subject to the same traditions as everyone else.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWell if one is a Christian a number of things follow if we disobey God. One is true guilt and sorrow for disappointing our heavenly Father, second the possibility of chastisement. In any case the believer is not at liberty to lessen the demands of God's law.
1) Or no religion at all - moral objectivism and atheism are not mutually exclusive.
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Originally posted by crepuscule View PostThe point is a moral objectivist can choose which religion to follow1) - and with that which moral system. So there's no real difference with the subjectivist's position you have described; both the subjectivist and the objectivist are free to choose the moral system they wish to adhere to - or change that choice.
1) Or no religion at all - moral objectivism and atheism are not mutually exclusive.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostBut there are no actual demands in utilitarianism because utilitarianism has no inherent moral authority - take it or leave it, it is all the same in the end. Where the law of God is universal, exacting and the ruling authority over all mankind."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by crepuscule View PostThe point is a moral objectivist can choose which religion to follow1) - and with that which moral system. So there's no real difference with the subjectivist's position you have described; both the subjectivist and the objectivist are free to choose the moral system they wish to adhere to - or change that choice.
1) Or no religion at all - moral objectivism and atheism are not mutually exclusive.
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Originally posted by seer View PostExcept I am comparing these to the law of God, which can not be changed or evaded no matter what the individual does or doesn't do. In principle neither moral objectivism or moral relativism have inherent moral authority. No so with the law of God.
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