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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostPlease point out the part of ANY response that I made that leads to this conclusion.
And just so we are clear:
Perversion:the alteration of something from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostOh, so you do believe there can be perversions of our sexual abilities? Since there is no design in your world for human sexuality, logically, how can there be a perversion of use? Like you said if you use a hammer for a paper weight it is not a perversion of design. So how can child rape be a perversion of our sexual abilities.
And just so we are clear:
Perversion:the alteration of something from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAre hermaphrodites designed for a purpose, seer?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostOh, so you do believe there can be perversions of our sexual abilities?
Originally posted by seer View PostSince there is no design in your world for human sexuality, logically, how can there be a perversion of use?
The second definition is "sexual behavior or desire that is considered abnormal or unacceptable." That definition has nothing to do with "intention" or "design" and has everything to do with norms, especially moral ones.
And I'm NOT going around that horn with you again - unless you actually (finally) have an argument that isn't one of the three "techniques."
Originally posted by seer View PostLike you said if you use a hammer for a paper weight it is not a perversion of design. So how can child rape be a perversion of our sexual abilities.
And just so we are clear:
Perversion:the alteration of something from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI haven't said anything about "perversion" in any respect.
Then you said: Please point out the part of ANY response that I made that leads to this conclusion.
So again, is child rape a perversion of our sexual abilities?
The word "perversion" has two meanings. One is generic: "the alteration of something from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended." By that definition, my use of a hammer to situate electrical boxes is a "perversion." It's not one that keeps me awake at night. Indeed, I am not particularly bothered by someone deciding to use something in a way other than it was intended.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostYou certainly implied it when I said: So you don't see the rape of children as a perversion of our sexual abilities?
Then you said: Please point out the part of ANY response that I made that leads to this conclusion.
So again, is child rape a perversion of our sexual abilities?
Most people see "child rape" as a "perversion" under the second term of the definition. I see it as "perversion" because it robs a child of what should be an innocent upbringing.
Originally posted by seer View PostRight, and that is the definition I was using in the context of our discussion, which was about purpose and design. And in your example of the hammer. So in that case child rape is no perversion of use - correct?.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim you know that we believe that we are a fallen race, and that effects psychology as well as biology (deformities).That however does not change God's intent or design for human sexuality. Of course in your world there can be no perversions of sexual abilities since there is no design or purpose for those abilities.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSo you add the word "perversion," which does not appear in any of my posts, and somehow I implied perversion?
Most people see "child rape" as a "perversion" under the second term of the definition. I see it as "perversion" because it robs a child of what should be an innocent upbringing.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo Carp I added the word prevision, in the context of our discussion about design. And when I suggested that you did not see child rape as a perversion our sexual abilities you balked. It is obvious that you don't.
Child rape is broadly seen (by me and most others) as a perversion by the second definition of the term, as noted in my previous post.
Originally posted by seer View PostI was not asking about bare assertion or opinion (collective or otherwise), our discussion was in the context of purpose or design.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostI think there is a pertinent distinction between epistemology and the philosophy of language.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim you know that we believe that we are a fallen race, and that effects psychology as well as biology (deformities).
That however does not change God's intent or design for human sexuality.
Of course in your world there can be no perversions of sexual abilities since there is no design or purpose for those abilities.Last edited by JimL; 09-15-2018, 01:11 PM.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYou are free to make any assumption you wish. Child rape is not a "perversion" by the first definition, because there is no evidence that humanity is at is is by "intent" - so there is no "design" or "purpose" at work. There is merely function.
Child rape is broadly seen (by me and most others) as a perversion by the second definition of the term, as noted in my previous post.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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