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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI have not been in a church during an election cycle for a long time. I have to wonder how many "liberal churches" you've been to that would substantiate this claim, and how you would substantiate "all the time." I'd be content to see evidence that this even happens semi-frequently. If it does, you will find me standing against it. The rule is not (or shouldn't be) different for different parties or churches.
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Hillary Clinton has a firm hold on African American voters, and her visits to black churches on Sunday explained why.
There's her husband, Bill, or "our beloved past president" as one pastor referred to him.
There's President Obama, who Clinton served and repeatedly expressed pride in to raucous applause from the congregations.
...But in a black church on Sunday, one pastor said all that was precisely why she was hoping Hillary Clinton would be the next president.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...06-story.html#
Why black Baptist churches are Hillary Clinton's happy place
Sunday mornings at Baptist churches fall right into Hillary Clinton's comfort zone.
"This is the day the Lord has made," Clinton said recently at Grace Baptist Church in Mount Vernon, N.Y., as sunshine streamed through the stained-glass windows and hit the packed pews. "Being here at this church with these beautiful people, knowing how grateful I am for this spring day. I feel blessed and grace is all around us."
Black Baptist churches may not seem like an obvious match for Clinton, a white Methodist from the Chicago suburbs. But the Democratic presidential candidate, who's been criticized for her tentative, even awkward political skills, often seems most at ease in houses of worship. It's where she's shared her faith for many years and earned a loyal following.
https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politi...-s-happy-place
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostHillary went actively campaigning at various Black churches and nobody complained about it and demanded that the churches give up their tax exemption.
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Hillary Clinton has a firm hold on African American voters, and her visits to black churches on Sunday explained why.
There's her husband, Bill, or "our beloved past president" as one pastor referred to him.
There's President Obama, who Clinton served and repeatedly expressed pride in to raucous applause from the congregations.
...But in a black church on Sunday, one pastor said all that was precisely why she was hoping Hillary Clinton would be the next president.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...06-story.html#
Why black Baptist churches are Hillary Clinton's happy place
Sunday mornings at Baptist churches fall right into Hillary Clinton's comfort zone.
"This is the day the Lord has made," Clinton said recently at Grace Baptist Church in Mount Vernon, N.Y., as sunshine streamed through the stained-glass windows and hit the packed pews. "Being here at this church with these beautiful people, knowing how grateful I am for this spring day. I feel blessed and grace is all around us."
Black Baptist churches may not seem like an obvious match for Clinton, a white Methodist from the Chicago suburbs. But the Democratic presidential candidate, who's been criticized for her tentative, even awkward political skills, often seems most at ease in houses of worship. It's where she's shared her faith for many years and earned a loyal following.
https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politi...-s-happy-placeThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSo she went to black churches. I'm not seeing an issue. If she gave a political speech in one, or the pastors endorse them (as seems to be indicated by your first citation), then they have indeed "crossed the grey line," as far as I am concerned, and should lose their tax exempt status.
and my point was that the MSM just reported it as normal business and nobody said a thing about it being wrong on Hillary or the church's fault.
To be honest, Trump did the same thing, with his public baptism and other such thing, at which the MSM did make a fuss.Last edited by Sparko; 08-21-2018, 10:18 AM.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSo she went to black churches. I'm not seeing an issue. If she gave a political speech in one, or the pastors endorse them (as seems to be indicated by your first citation), then they have indeed "crossed the grey line," as far as I am concerned, and should lose their tax exempt status.
Black Pastors Are Breaking the Law to Get Hillary Clinton ElectedThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Look at this one:
Hillary Clinton Speaks At Philly Churchhttps://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/20...philly-church/
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postgah! She was campaigning in the churches! And didn't you just see in the quote "But in a black church on Sunday, one pastor said all that was precisely why she was hoping Hillary Clinton would be the next president."
Originally posted by Sparko View Postand my point was that the MSM just reported it as normal business and nobody said a thing about it being wrong on Hillary or the church's fault.
To be honest, Trump did the same thing, with his public baptism and other such thing, at which the MSM did make a fuss.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThis is so common in the Houston area it's not even funny.
Black Pastors Are Breaking the Law to Get Hillary Clinton ElectedThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThanks.
There you go Carp. You wanted a source for the MSM treating Trump differently when he went to black churches.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostCan you point out exactly where I made that request?Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostPost 187?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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