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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNo, I did NOT miss that part of the post, or I wouldn't have said... "because the homeowner knows what they want to paint, and even if it takes a trip home to measure it, it's an easily accomplished deal".
And the rest of my post was clearly a waste of my time. You're not exactly leaving the impression that you have any interest in having an actual conversation about the issue. I think I'll leave this one to you. If you have a serious question or some serious observations, I'll respond.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSure, but it doesn't even approach answering the quesiton.
And you would be wrong - I just want REAL answers, not "well thought out empty ones".
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI don't know why it's so difficult for so many smart people to admit "I really don't know".The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostDid I say I was a liberal? I don't consider myself one.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostOh for pity's sake, CP. You're not dense. The analogy was about asking someone who does not have access to the necessary information to answer a question. "How much more money" is not a question anyone can answer because they lack the necessary information. That was the point. Going around and around on whether it was a useful analogy is pointless.
You reject any and all efforts to explain the Trinity, but you come up with a really weak one to try to explain another big mystery to which we "lack the necessary information".
The Climate Alarmists are pushing for big bucks and big government - I have a right to know what that's going to accomplish.
And the rest of my post was clearly a waste of my time. You're not exactly leaving the impression that you have any interest in having an actual conversation about the issue. I think I'll leave this one to you. If you have a serious question or some serious observations, I'll respond.
I just get really tired of people like Tassman endlessly screaming about climate change without a CLUE what to actually do about it. Then going on to stupidly charge that you don't care about your children if you don't care as much as he does about the drama.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostHistory suggests that won't matter a great deal here. If you have any positions that lean left or are left, you're automatically "a liberal." Might as well get used to it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd my point is that this is FAR MORE troublesome than any hardware store analogy you can offer.
You reject any and all efforts to explain the Trinity, but you come up with a really weak one to try to explain another big mystery to which we "lack the necessary information".
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThe Climate Alarmists are pushing for big bucks and big government - I have a right to know what that's going to accomplish.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOh, for pity sake, Carpe, quit being such a fartlicker!
I just get really tired of people like Tassman endlessly screaming about climate change without a CLUE what to actually do about it. Then going on to stupidly charge that you don't care about your children if you don't care as much as he does about the drama.
You having a bad day?
Anyway, let me know when you're serious. Happy to have a discussion with you then. Until then, I gave you my best responses. Happy to discuss them at any time.
P.S. I'm not Tassman...Last edited by carpedm9587; 05-26-2018, 11:40 AM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostLet's focus on the last claim. Can you document where "climate alarmists" have asked for "big bucks" and "big government?"
Fartlicker?
You having a bad day?
Anyway, let me know when you're serious. Happy to have a discussion with you then. Until then, I gave you my best responses. Happy to discuss them at any time.
P.S. I'm not Tassman...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostGrandkids are over for the pool - I'll get back to you.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNo, I'm having a GREAT day. That was the most juvenile insult I could think of on short notice to mock your "oh, for pity sake".
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou kinda injected yourself into the discussion - I thought you were volunteering to be his spokesperson.
And I am never anyone's spokesperson but myself...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostIt is very hard (impossible?) to come up with a viable analogy to explain a concept that is self-contradictory. It's not that hard to come up with an analogy for someone being asked to answer a question they do not have adequate facts to answer.
Carpe, I love you to death, but you're the kind of guy who, when asked what time it is, tends to launch into the history of watchmaking and insists on offering a tour of the factory.
And, yes, you certainly have a right to "inject yourself" into the discussion I was having with Tassman, but my frustration is that people like Tassman are, IMOHBAO, one of the very reasons there are skeptics (and even deniers) like me! He gets himself all worked up in a frenzy, makes downright GOOFY untrue statements, and makes you want to recoil just from the stupidity.
He's like a junior Al Gore hyping the alarmism, with all kinds of failed prophecies, and we're supposed to buy into his drama. (Except, of course, Tassman isn't smart enough to get filthy rich enough making money off of climate alarmism)The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIn which case, it's often best just to be honest and say "I really don't know".
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostCarpe, I love you to death, but you're the kind of guy who, when asked what time it is, tends to launch into the history of watchmaking and insists on offering a tour of the factory.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd, yes, you certainly have a right to "inject yourself" into the discussion I was having with Tassman, but my frustration is that people like Tassman are, IMOHBAO, one of the very reasons there are skeptics (and even deniers) like me! He gets himself all worked up in a frenzy, makes downright GOOFY untrue statements, and makes you want to recoil just from the stupidity.
He's like a junior Al Gore hyping the alarmism, with all kinds of failed prophecies, and we're supposed to buy into his drama. (Except, of course, Tassman isn't smart enough to get filthy rich enough making money off of climate alarmism)
P.S. You might also note that my response to your four questions was in response to a post you made in direct response to me...so if you didn't want my answer...why did you ask?Last edited by carpedm9587; 05-26-2018, 02:59 PM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAnd if you go back to my post... that's what I said.
I simply pointed out that the question cannot be answered because the facts required to answer it are not available, and provided an analogy to highlight that.
On that I plead guilty. Occupational hazard. I wish I could say I was successfully working on it...but I'm verbose. Shoot me.
And I repeat...I'm not Tassman. I stand by my reasoned responses/suggestions, which are actually rooted in some amount of research and due diligence. Whether or not you wish to seriously examine them or not is entirely up to you.
Now, if you can demonstrate that this is hype, or that they were misquoted or misrepresented....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostThose academic exercises are necessary if we're to get past appeals to authority and "if you care, you will believe."
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
I just get really tired of people like Tassman endlessly screaming about climate change without a CLUE what to actually do about it. Then going on to stupidly charge that you don't care about your children if you don't care as much as he does about the drama.Then going on to stupidly charge that you don't care about your children if you don't care as much as he does about the drama.Last edited by Tassman; 05-27-2018, 12:59 AM.
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