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  • #886
    Originally posted by Tassman View Post
    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.prem...from-1.5404560
    Huh. They did not quote the Canaanite creation myth. Nor did they argue the Hebrew opening verse (its ex nihilo) was even the same.


    It was the theists that opposed their science.
    Theist against theist.


    Why would I accept this as authoritative in any way?
    Then don't.
    . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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    • #887
      Originally posted by 37818 View Post
      Huh. They did not quote the Canaanite creation myth. Nor did they argue the Hebrew opening verse (its ex nihilo) was even the same.
      It's generally acknowledged as the same story as is Noah's Flood which is based upon the earlier Sumerian Gilgamesh Epic

      Theist against theist.
      The theists employing scientific methodology were the ones shown to be right.

      Then don't.
      Of course not.

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      • #888
        Originally posted by 37818 View Post
        Ah, no. The Hebrew account is an refutation, being the ex nihilo claim.
        Refutation of what?!?! The Sumer creation myths proposed creation 'ex nihilo' and by the evidence the Hebrew Creation myths evolved from the older Canaanite, Ugarit, and Babylonian creation myths..

        They are theists. It was there theism which lead them into their science.
        There is absolutely no evidence that anything in the Bible lead them to the conclusions of the scientific works. There is more evidence that the influence was possible Greek and Islamic view of science and the evolution of scientific methods.


        Not myth. Paul wrote to the Roman church that faith comes from natural revelation, ". . . So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. . . ." Citing the 19th Psalm. ". . . Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. . . ."
        Religious assertions do not make it true without the objective evidence.

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        • #889
          Originally posted by 37818 View Post
          Huh. They did not quote the Canaanite creation myth. Nor did they argue the Hebrew opening verse (its ex nihilo) was even the same.
          Argue?!?! Of course not! No one argued the case they simply used the more ancient creation myths to compose Genesis. Tassman's refrence demonstrates this.

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          • #890
            Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
            Argue?!?! Of course not! No one argued the case they simply used the more ancient creation myths to compose Genesis. Tassman's refrence demonstrates this.
            He did not show any creation myth to teach ex nihilo creation. The teaching of the ex nihilo creation stands unique to Genesis 1:1.
            . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

            . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

            Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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            • #891
              Originally posted by 37818 View Post
              He did not show any creation myth to teach ex nihilo creation. The teaching of the ex nihilo creation stands unique to Genesis 1:1.
              Already documented that this is not the case from a number of sources that the scriptural concept of 'ex nihio' exists in much earlier scriptures then any documented Genesis scripture.

              Who is he you are referring to? The referenced scriptures are what shows that the concept of 'ex nihilo' is in different scriptures of different religions.

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              • #892
                Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                He did not show any creation myth to teach ex nihilo creation. The teaching of the ex nihilo creation stands unique to Genesis 1:1.
                the Genesis concept of 'ex nihio' exists in much earlier religious writings than the Hebrew bible, this is well documented and not in doubt. Nor is it surprising given the slow evolution of religion from primitive animism to monotheism via polytheism. There's inevitably going to be overlap and borrowing from other religions.

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                • #893
                  Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                  Already documented that this is not the case from a number of sources that the scriptural concept of 'ex nihio' exists in much earlier scriptures then any documented Genesis scripture.

                  Who is he you are referring to? The referenced scriptures are what shows that the concept of 'ex nihilo' is in different scriptures of different religions.
                  Nothing specific was actually given. So the ex nihilo creation of the Hebrew account stands alone.
                  . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                  . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                  Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                  • #894
                    Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                    Nothing specific was actually given. So the ex nihilo creation of the Hebrew account stands alone.
                    You are ignoring the specific references provided.

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                    • #895
                      Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                      You are ignoring the specific references provided.
                      No. I do not think so. What do you think missed? Be specific.
                      . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                      . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                      Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                      • #896
                        Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                        the Genesis concept of 'ex nihio' exists in much earlier religious writings than the Hebrew bible, this is well documented and not in doubt. Nor is it surprising given the slow evolution of religion from primitive animism to monotheism via polytheism. There's inevitably going to be overlap and borrowing from other religions.
                        Give the specific evidence.
                        . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                        . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                        Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                        • #897
                          Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                          No. I do not think so. What do you think missed? Be specific.
                          That the religions and their scriptures cited describe and support an 'ex nihilo' creation.

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                          • #898
                            Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                            Give the specific evidence.

                            The references already cited that you are ignoring.

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                            • #899
                              Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                              It's generally acknowledged as the same story as is Noah's Flood which is based upon the earlier Sumerian Gilgamesh Epic
                              You must have a rather unique Bible if it has the flood account as being the creation.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                              • #900
                                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                                You must have a rather unique Bible if it has the flood account as being the creation.
                                He said "as is". He wasn't equating the two.
                                "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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