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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostCalling it "semantics", "word games" and "philosophical mumbo jumbo" won't make it go away. There's a difference between the actual teaching of the Trinity and your pathetic attempt to caricaturize it, even if you're too dense, or simply unwilling, to see it.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThere is a difference. Atheists like myself don't actually believe that there was nothing that became something, that's actually what you christians believe, so you are mocking yourselves, not atheists.
We don't *actually* believe your caricature of the Trinity either. Thanks for playing.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWell, I don't expect that calling the concept of the trinity what it is, i.e. illogical, will make it go away from the believers mind. But since no one else has yet to give a logical explanation of the trinity, perhaps you'd like to give it a try? No, of course you won't!
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostThere's nothing about the standard doctrine of the Trinity that breaks any rules of logic."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostThere's nothing about the standard doctrine of the Trinity that breaks any rules of logic. As to whether or not anyone will ever convince you of that is another question altogether. Trying to disabuse you of the notion that your caricature of the Trinity is even moderately similar to the actual doctrine would be a herculean task in it's own right.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThere is a difference. Atheists like myself don't actually believe that there was nothing that became something, that's actually what you christians believe, so you are mocking yourselves, not atheists.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSo what "something" created the universe, Jimmy? What existed before the universe?Last edited by JimL; 05-11-2018, 09:32 AM.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYou are merely asserting this again. You need to prove it is so. We have already said that the "three" is persons and the "one" is God. Two different classes.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSaying that God is 3 minds in 1
Originally posted by JimL View PostThe illogical doesn't become logical just because you declare that being that it is god we can claim anything at all and say it is logical.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostNo one is saying that God is 3 minds in 1 mind.
The doctrine of the Trinity is very carefully crafted.
The only illogical depictions (i.e ones with apparent contradictions) of it I have seen have been heretical ones, such as the caricatures you and Tassman have put forth.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostDepends on how you are defining THE UNIVERSE. If by UNIVERSE you mean the totality of everything that exists and has always existed, then nothing created it. If by universe you mean a particular form taken by that which has always existed then that form was created, or more aptly stated, was born, of THE UNIVERSE, or born of that which has always existed.
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