Nobody Dies for a Lie

[Cow Poke]

Really? First off we are imperfect beings so it is impossible to never do what we call sin.

That was his point.

[carpedm9587]

You don't have to believe in Jesus or be doomed. You can always just never sin. or is it too late for that?

Not for me...

[JimL]

Actually Romans 2 says your own conscience will accuse or acquit you.
Romans 2:14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

Right, Sparko, and we, even as infants, are just born knowing right from wrong, Correct? C'mon, using the bible in order to defend the claims of the same, doesn't work. The reason that what we call the law is what you and Paul would say is written on our hearts is because it is etched there, taught to us as children, by our culture, not because we are born knowing right from wrong.

Well then, I guess if you sin you will need to pay the price unless you can figure some way out.

There is neither price to be paid nor reward given simply because of what any one human being has honestly come to believe. It's illogical and idiotic!

Jim, I know you think you are being clever here, but in reality you are being really stupid.

Ad hominem attacks don't help your case, Sparko. The fact continues to remain, the disciples themselves did not believe without seeing, were not required to believe without seeing, and even Jesus knew that he had to show himself to the disciples in order to prove his resurrection. So it's ridiculous to believe that this same god would require belief in testimony alone when his own disciples didn't necessarily believe him.

[Cow Poke]

Ad hominem attacks don't help your case, Sparko.

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[Sparko]

Not for me...

It is now!

[Sparko]

Right, Sparko, and we, even as infants, are just born knowing right from wrong, Correct? C'mon, using the bible in order to defend the claims of the same, doesn't work. The reason that what we call the law is what you and Paul would say is written on our hearts is because it is etched there, taught to us as children, by our culture, not because we are born knowing right from wrong.



There is neither price to be paid nor reward given simply because of what any one human being has honestly come to believe. It's illogical and idiotic!


Ad hominem attacks don't help your case, Sparko. The fact continues to remain, the disciples themselves did not believe without seeing, were not required to believe without seeing, and even Jesus knew that he had to show himself to the disciples in order to prove his resurrection. So it's ridiculous to believe that this same god would require belief in testimony alone when his own disciples didn't necessarily believe him.

I am not going through this again with you Jimboy. You just continue to burn straw and think somehow that means you have "defeated Christianity" or something. It's pretty pathetic. Nobody is forcing you to believe anything. You can go your own way. Me? I will hitch my wagon to the Jesus train.

[carpedm9587]

It is now!

Nahh.. I'm covered.. once saved, always saved...

[Cow Poke]

Nahh.. I'm covered.. once saved, always saved...

If you were truly saved.

[Cow Poke]

Nahh.. I'm covered.. once saved, always saved...

Serious question - regarding "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved".

Do you still believe God raised Jesus from the dead? I'm thinking the obvious answer has to be no.

[carpedm9587]

Serious question - regarding "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved".

Do you still believe God raised Jesus from the dead? I'm thinking the obvious answer has to be no.

That would be the obvious answer. It would be hard for a god that does not exist to do much of anything.

[Cow Poke]

That would be the obvious answer. It would be hard for a god that does not exist to do much of anything.

Then you're in trouble - your OSAS is defunct.

[carpedm9587]

Then you're in trouble - your OSAS is defunct.

Yeah, I've been told that more than once. I'm going with Michel's Wager.

[JimL]

I am not going through this again with you Jimboy. You just continue to burn straw and think somehow that means you have "defeated Christianity" or something. It's pretty pathetic. Nobody is forcing you to believe anything. You can go your own way. Me? I will hitch my wagon to the Jesus train.

Actually, what's pathetic, is your inability to defend what you believe. Hand waving is no defense. Jesus didn't require his disciples to believe without seeing, so it's illogical to believe that he would require the rest of us to believe without seeing. What do you think, that Jesus was an idiot?

[JimL]

Serious question - regarding "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved".

Do you still believe God raised Jesus from the dead? I'm thinking the obvious answer has to be no.

Did god raise Jesus from the dead, or did Jesus raise himself from the dead, and what would be the difference? Does Jesus have a glorified material body now, ya know, like the one that resurrected and ascended to heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father, or is he a spirit, ya know, unified as one with the father and the holy spirit?

[Sparko]

Actually, what's pathetic, is your inability to defend what you believe. Hand waving is no defense. Jesus didn't require his disciples to believe without seeing, so it's illogical to believe that he would require the rest of us to believe without seeing. What do you think, that Jesus was an idiot?

Jimbobaroony, I spent pages patiently explaining it all to you. You merely ignored it and continued to burn straw. I have no desire to continue playing into your trolling (or ignorance). If you want to feel like you have defeated Christianity because you have burned a strawman version of it, go for it. You are not fooling anyone except yourself.