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Does an Omniscient Creator Lead to Fatalism?
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Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThen there's the example of God apparently changing his mind in response to Moses' pleas, but we see later that once Moses realizes that God was right to want to punish the people, that God commands him and the Levites to kill those who rebelled, and Moses obeys. So God didn't actually change his mind.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postnope. Because as I said, your choices are all free will. You are still responsible for them. That's kinda the whole point of Molinism and why it came to be versus Calvinism.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostHow is it you can't see how ridiculous that idea is? If it's gods plan that you do this or that, then you're not free to do otherwise.
PS, MY plan is for you to continue to make dumb posts and make a fool of yourself on TWEB.
Now I guess that means that every time you do, I am controlling you.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postread above, I already explained it.
PS, MY plan is for you to continue to make dumb posts and make a fool of yourself on TWEB.
Now I guess that means that every time you do, I am controlling you.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWell, that would be comparing yourself to god, so that's dumb as well.
Nope. If my plan aligns with your free will actions, then I must be controlling your actions, right? That is what you just argued above.
I created the environment (theologyweb) that allows you to use your freewill actions to post idiotic things and make yourself look stupid. My plan is to continue to allow you to do that. Therefore according to your argument above, I am controlling you.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostNope. If my plan aligns with your free will actions, then I must be controlling your actions, right? That is what you just argued above.
I created the environment (theologyweb) that allows you to use your freewill actions to post idiotic things and make yourself look stupid. My plan is to continue to allow you to do that. Therefore according to your argument above, I am controlling you.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, I actually did read your regarding your take on molinism, and like I said, it's dumb. If god created a world in which he knows that your choices will align with his plan, then to argue that they are free will choices is just idiotic.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostPS, MY plan is for you to continue to make dumb posts and make a fool of yourself on TWEB.
Hey - did you make him defend NAMBLA - that pervert pedophile group?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postsorry. I thought it was amusing.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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