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  • [QUOTE=Hypatia_Alexandria;n1596565]

    There is no uncertainty. Paul makes no reference to those texts.
    No-one says he did. What are present are comments that seemingly originate with records in the gospels, to which Paul (as a slim possibility) may have alluded.

    If you believe such skills exist.

    Most rational people do not. Coincidence and fluke events are another matter.

    Of course post eventum any prophecy can be alleged to have taken place.
    It was shown that
    1/ Jesus did not speak of the events in detail,
    2/ the gospel authors never termed Jesus' comments prophecy,
    3/ Not one of the Biblical authors referred to the fall of Jerusalem, nor to it being a fulfilment of prophecy, 4/ anyone believing that the Jewish authorities had rejected a messiah would also be very likely to believe that, as a consequence of that rejection, Jerusalem would fall in a way similar to that of its fall at the end of the first temple period.

    "If you believe such skills exist" doesn't apply - it was demonstrated that prophecy would not have been required, and by your own admission, co-incidental "fulfilment" of words spoken is entirely possible.
    Most rational people do not have experience that would lead them to believe that prophecy is real; nor, incidentally, would who have the experience believe that it is a skill.
    WRT the fall of Jerusalem and the sacking of the temple, no Biblical author made any reference to the event as having occurred. If we are to adopt the same attitude that you have toward Paul's knowledge of the gospels, we would be saying that the authors, at the time of writing, knew nothing of any fall of Jerusalem. After all, when an author does not mention something so momentous (according to your posted belief), it means the author did not know about it. Of course, your posted belief is too outlandish to be taken seriously.
    1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
    .
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    Scripture before Tradition:
    but that won't prevent others from
    taking it upon themselves to deprive you
    of the right to call yourself Christian.

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    • [QUOTE=tabibito;n1596852]
      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post



      No-one says he did. What are present are comments that seemingly originate with records in the gospels, to which Paul (as a slim possibility) may have alluded.



      It was shown that
      1/ Jesus did not speak of the events in detail,
      2/ the gospel authors never termed Jesus' comments prophecy,
      3/ Not one of the Biblical authors referred to the fall of Jerusalem, nor to it being a fulfilment of prophecy, 4/ anyone believing that the Jewish authorities had rejected a messiah would also be very likely to believe that, as a consequence of that rejection, Jerusalem would fall in a way similar to that of its fall at the end of the first temple period.

      "If you believe such skills exist" doesn't apply - it was demonstrated that prophecy would not have been required, and by your own admission, co-incidental "fulfilment" of words spoken is entirely possible.
      Most rational people do not have experience that would lead them to believe that prophecy is real; nor, incidentally, would who have the experience believe that it is a skill.
      WRT the fall of Jerusalem and the sacking of the temple, no Biblical author made any reference to the event as having occurred. If we are to adopt the same attitude that you have toward Paul's knowledge of the gospels, we would be saying that the authors, at the time of writing, knew nothing of any fall of Jerusalem. After all, when an author does not mention something so momentous (according to your posted belief), it means the author did not know about it. Of course, your posted belief is too outlandish to be taken seriously.
      We have been through all this in the past.
      "It ain't necessarily so
      The things that you're liable
      To read in the Bible
      It ain't necessarily so
      ."

      Sportin' Life
      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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      • [QUOTE=Hypatia_Alexandria;n1596855]
        Originally posted by tabibito View Post

        We have been through all this in the past.
        We have - and still you insist that no other assessments are valid.
        1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
        .
        ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
        Scripture before Tradition:
        but that won't prevent others from
        taking it upon themselves to deprive you
        of the right to call yourself Christian.

        ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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        • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

          We have - and still you insist that no other assessments are valid.
          Glass houses come to mind..
          "It ain't necessarily so
          The things that you're liable
          To read in the Bible
          It ain't necessarily so
          ."

          Sportin' Life
          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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          • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

            Glass houses come to mind..
            As when you accuse me of being arrogant? Assuredly.
            1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
            .
            ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
            Scripture before Tradition:
            but that won't prevent others from
            taking it upon themselves to deprive you
            of the right to call yourself Christian.

            ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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            • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

              As when you accuse me of being arrogant? Assuredly.
              You chose to write what you did about your "agenda" its "scope" and my "limited imagination". No one forced you to make such ludicrously arrogant remarks about your capabilities.

              However, I am now of the impression that these exchanges today [my time] are little more than the result of boredom on your part. I suggest that you find something else to occupy your time.
              "It ain't necessarily so
              The things that you're liable
              To read in the Bible
              It ain't necessarily so
              ."

              Sportin' Life
              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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              • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                You chose to write what you did about your "agenda" its "scope" and my "limited imagination". No one forced you to make such ludicrously arrogant remarks about your capabilities.
                The scope of your limited imagination is on full display almost daily, and I said nothing about the scope of my agenda: just that you are incapable of understanding what it is.


                However, I am now of the impression that these exchanges today [my time] are little more than the result of boredom on your part. I suggest that you find something else to occupy your time.
                Nah - I've just had a fill of your sniping and self-proclaimed superiority.
                1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                .
                ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                Scripture before Tradition:
                but that won't prevent others from
                taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                of the right to call yourself Christian.

                ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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