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Originally posted by seer View PostJim you are claiming that it is a fairy tale, but there is no evidence that it is a fairy tale or that the writers intended to spin a yarn.
But my point was about the Gospels being written four decades after the events. Which is not a problem since many original followers of Christ could still around.
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostWhy should I believe they were written then?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostGod is not physical. At least not in the sense that we understand physical.Originally posted by seer, in response to assertions elsewhereProve it!Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostScience is "the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment."* Or "systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation. "**
Thus you can test any part of the material universe, but you can not go outside and test the origin of the universe.
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Originally posted by crepuscule View PostAnd I never said that you could, though I fail to see what this has to do with the point I made.
Originally posted by crepuscule View PostIf the universe is self-existent, can it not be scientifically tested then?Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostScience is "the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment."* Or "systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation. "**
Thus you can test any part of the material universe, but you can not go outside and test the origin of the universe.
* According to Google
** According to Dictionary.com
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI believe the origins of the universe may be to tested to certain extent, but that extent has not been determined yet. As far as the origin of our physical existence science cannot test for the origins.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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No Tass, you guys are constantly making claims in our discussions here that you can not prove. Like Jim's claim in this thread that the Gospel were fairy tales, you do the same thing.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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I was not speaking of science, but of your faith claims, like this fairy tale thing. There is zero evidence that the writers of the New Testament intended to write fairy tales or thought they were writing fairy tales. And if you make the claim it is on you to justify it.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Science can test for falsifiable evidence where events follow a natural, predictable, and normal course. It can't test for events that are the result of volition - those are wholly unpredictable.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostThis:
Appeared to me to be such a suggestion. The answer is no.Last edited by crepuscule; 07-02-2017, 02:59 PM.
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