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Not all interpreters of the Genesis account take as mere Hebrew poetry. It is held by some to be historically true.
Taken as historically true what scientific experiment falsifies it? The universe appears to have a beginning (Genesis 1:1). Now if those 6 days (Genesis 1:3-31) took place historically [forming earth, creating life and making its sky] by direct acts of God, how can you test that? You cannot.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostNot all interpreters of the Genesis account take as mere Hebrew poetry. It is held by some to be historically true.
Taken as historically true what scientific experiment falsifies it? The universe appears to have a beginning (Genesis 1:1). Now if those 6 days (Genesis 1:3-31) took place historically [forming earth, creating life and making its sky] by direct acts of God, how can you test that? You cannot.
Time and again, science has shown that methodological naturalism can push back ignorance, finding increasingly detailed and informative answers to mysteries that once seemed impenetrable.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostNow if those 6 days (Genesis 1:3-31) took place historically [forming earth, creating life and making its sky] by direct acts of God, how can you test that? You cannot.
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostI cannot prove that it all happened without any supernatural intervention. However, the notion that only six days elapsed between the formation of the world and the appearance of human beings on it is inconsistent with the current state of our scientific knowledge.Not a direct act of God.
. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postso you have to be able to test every fact or it is not science?
How do you test that Washington was the first president?
(Washington, however, was the first person elected as President of the United States.)When I Survey....
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postso you have to be able to test every fact or it is not science?
How do you test that Washington was the first president?
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostThe scientific [knowledge of] knowledge is man must have evolved from another kind or species.Not a direct act of God.
Humans and chimpanzees shared a common ancestor and diverged from one another c. 13 million years ago.
http://www.livescience.com/46300-chi...mutations.html
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostYes! Does that worry you?
Humans and chimpanzees shared a common ancestor and diverged from one another c. 13 million years ago.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evoluti...ever-knew.html. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostHistorical-Critical methodology will check the available evidence...including the number of reliable, independent sources and records, artefacts, historical consistency etc...and reliably conclude that Washington was the first president.
So, how do you test that in 6 days God formed the earth, created life and made its sky by direct fiat...as per 37818's argument? You cannot.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostNo. There is nothing in the scientific evidence which disallows a direct creation of humans by God, the Creator of the very laws which govern what is scientifically possible.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
OK then, show me what you did to test their reliability and authenticity.
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