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  • Originally posted by Doug Shaver View Post
    It is irrelevant to those committed to the doctrines of a particular kind of Christianity. To us without any sectarian allegiances, the only thing crystal clear about the Bible is that its authors disagreed about some rather fundamental issues.
    No they didn't.

    The Bible is 100% consistent from beginning to end, and it is 100% crystal clear that the only path to reconciliation with God is through the blood of Jesus.
    Last edited by Mountain Man; 05-26-2017, 08:06 AM.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • Originally posted by tabibito View Post
      There you go: some truths are not universal.
      If it's not universal then it's not the truth. I think what you mean to say is that not all truths are eternal, which is usually what people mean when they discuss "absolute truth". Some truths are circumstantial or time limited, but they're still universally true in that moment. For instance, it's true that I own a Toyota. This is true even if you happen to be reading this post while sitting in the farthest reaches of the universe. However, it probably won't be true in 50-years, so while it's a universal truth, it's not an eternal truth. Truths like "you ought not steal" are both universal and eternal.
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        No they didn't.

        The Bible is 100% consistent from beginning to end,
        There isn't even consistency about what it contains.
        Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

        MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
        MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

        seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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        • Originally posted by Roy View Post
          There isn't even consistency about what it contains.
          I think you're confusing the interpretation with the source.
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            I think you're confusing the interpretation with the source.
            I think he's referring to the fact that Protestants and Catholics disagree over the scope of the canon.
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            • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
              I think he's referring to the fact that Protestants and Catholics disagree over the scope of the canon.
              Of which discrepancy MM is apparently unaware.
              Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

              MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
              MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

              seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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              • Originally posted by Roy View Post
                Of which discrepancy MM is apparently unaware.
                I'm well aware of it. Your criticism was too vague for me to meaningfully respond to.
                Last edited by Mountain Man; 05-26-2017, 11:08 AM.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • Originally posted by Doug Shaver View Post
                  Why should I? I have not affirmed absolute truth.
                  Which makes my point.
                  . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                  . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                  Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                  • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                    Which makes my point.
                    How does it do that?

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                    • Originally posted by Doug Shaver View Post
                      How does it do that?
                      My point being, a chief reason people do not come to Jesus as Christ and Savior is do to the problem they have with truth. Truth being absolute, being what corresponds to reality.
                      John 18:37,
                      . . . Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. . . .

                      John 10:26-28,
                      . . . But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, . . .



                      So why has not Christianity been falsified over this point?
                      . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                      . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                      Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                      • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                        My point being, a chief reason people do not come to Jesus as Christ and Savior is do to the problem they have with truth.
                        I didn't ask what your point was. I asked how my statement made your point, as you claimed it did.

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                        • Originally posted by Doug Shaver View Post
                          I didn't ask what your point was. I asked how my statement made your point, as you claimed it did.
                          You yourself said,
                          Originally posted by Doug Shaver View Post
                          . . . I have not affirmed absolute truth.
                          It sounds to me you do have a problem with truth.
                          . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                          . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                          Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                          • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                            It sounds to me you do have a problem with truth.
                            If so, then you have a problem understanding plain English.

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                            • Originally posted by Doug Shaver View Post
                              If so, then you have a problem understanding plain English.
                              Really?

                              Originally posted by Doug Shaver View Post
                              . . . I have not affirmed absolute truth.
                              . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                              . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                              Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                              • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                                Really?
                                Really. My not having affirmed absolute truth does not imply my having a problem with truth.

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