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This forum is open discussion between atheists and all theists to defend and debate their views on religion or non-religion. Please respect that this is a Christian-owned forum and refrain from gratuitous blasphemy. VERY wide leeway is given in range of expression and allowable behavior as compared to other areas of the forum, and moderation is not overly involved unless necessary. Please keep this in mind. Atheists who wish to interact with theists in a way that does not seek to undermine theistic faith may participate in the World Religions Department. Non-debate question and answers and mild and less confrontational discussions can take place in General Theistics.
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostThen go ask them. You don't have to convince me that their theology makes no sense. All I'm saying is that yours doesn't make any better sense.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostMeaning that Star recognises "you're right" and he's wrong??? Is that what you mean by integrity??
The bottom line is a difference of opinion. You want to exalt the zygote as deserving of full human rights and protections, whereas the majority of people believe that it's not until fetal viability that such protections apply.That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostActually, yes. Admit that science is not on his side on this issue.
No, the bottom line is that the zygote, embryo, fetus, and infant are all just stages of a unique individual organism's growth and development, and arbitrarily assigning the right to live based on one of those stages over another is wrong.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostActually, yes. Admit that science is not on his side on this issue.
No, the bottom line is that the zygote, embryo, fetus, and infant are all just stages of a unique individual organism's growth and development, and arbitrarily assigning the right to live based on one of those stages over another is wrong.
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Originally posted by Sea of red View PostI don't think anyone needed you to tell them that zygotes, embryos, fetuses, and infants are different phases of human development, Bill."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post
Arbitrarily assigning full human rights and protections to an insensate fetus is demonstrably absurd and is based upon an ideological concept of what constitutes a viable human being.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sea of red View PostI don't think anyone needed you to tell them that zygotes, embryos, fetuses, and infants are different phases of human development, Bill.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI find it really weird that he doesn't even seem to understand what the issues are.
I can understand someone who's never discussed the topic of abortion being as out-to-lunch as Bill is on the issue, but he's been on this forum for years, so it's hard to fathom how he could be this ignorant.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
That you and your ilk dehumanize a member of our species just because it hasn't specialized up to your arbitrary criteria is what is hard to fathom.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIncorrect! Science is on his side in this issue.
Arbitrarily assigning full human rights and protections to an insensate fetus is demonstrably absurd and is based upon an ideological concept of what constitutes a viable human being.
and fetuses are not insensate. Google fetal pain and watch some movies demonstrating that fetuses can feel pain and react to stimuli. They are not insensate at all. Even though that is just another example of your arbitrary rhetoric and scientifically has nothing to do with a fetus being a human being or not.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostThe issue is biological ignorance. And your side suffers from it in a major way.
That you and your ilk dehumanize a member of our species just because it hasn't specialized up to your arbitrary criteria is what is hard to fathom.
That you are too stupid to get that biological fact is what is hard to fathom.
That you clowns are ignorant that the Unborn Victims of Violence act declares all of the pre-born stages worthy of protecting life and limb is what is hard to fathom."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThis puzzles me: Do you know you are lying here, or are you literally that stupid and that ignorant that you think you're telling the truth? Even an average person who'd spent 5 minutes studying the abortion debates would know this was totally untrue, so I don't understand what you think you are gaining by making statements that absolutely everyone knows are false and wrong.
That statement is much more on-point and at least shows a rudimentary grasp of the issues on your part.
And we're back to you making statements that everyone knows are ridiculously false. Are you that stupid, or are you deliberately lying and if so, why?
Wow, that random claim came out of left-field.Last edited by Tassman; 03-30-2017, 08:25 PM.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostArbitrarily removing full human rights from a member of the human race based on nothing but rhetoric is demonstrably absurd and is based on an ideological concept of what constitutes a viable human being.
and fetuses are not insensate. Google fetal pain and watch some movies demonstrating that fetuses can feel pain and react to stimuli. They are not insensate at all. Even though that is just another example of your arbitrary rhetoric and scientifically has nothing to do with a fetus being a human being or not.
Fetal brain activity only begins to exhibit regular wave patterns at around week 25. Previous to that time, the EEG only shows small bursts of activity without sustained firing of neurons. There's no pain. How can be pain when there's no functioning brain, dummy?Last edited by Tassman; 03-30-2017, 08:28 PM.
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