Scripture says that anything not done in faith is sin, that we should glorify God with all our acts, and that without faith it is impossible to please God. If God is the standard of goodness, and if He is the focus, and the decider of what is good or evil, then how could the atheist do anything truly good?
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Can The Atheist Do Good?
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Can The Atheist Do Good?
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3sTags: None
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Originally posted by seer View PostScripture says that anything not done in faith is sin, that we should glorify God with all our acts, and that without faith it is impossible to please God. If God is the standard of goodness, and if He is the focus, and the decider of what is good or evil, then how could the atheist do anything truly good?
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Originally posted by seer View PostScripture says that anything not done in faith is sin, that we should glorify God with all our acts, and that without faith it is impossible to please God. If God is the standard of goodness, and if He is the focus, and the decider of what is good or evil, then how could the atheist do anything truly good?
We want morality to be a measure of social interactions, and preferably a measure of the pro-socialness or anti-socialness of those interactions, or to put it another way of the beneficialness or harmfulness of those interactions because that is a socially useful thing to measure (unlike your socially useless proposed measure of 'good' above). Whether someone is intending to help others or harm others is something that is is useful to try and evaluate and it is often something we do both consciously and subconsciously in our everyday lives as we try and navigate the social world and assess the intentions of others. To put it simply we generally want to evaluate if the social interactions are negative or positive: Is one being acting towards another with positive intentions due to placing positive value on the being it is interacting towards and wanting what is best for that being, or is it acting towards the other with negative intentions due to placing zero or negative value on the being it is interacting towards and not wanting what is best for that being?
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Really? So you think that you are good?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostHow about• Edited by a Moderator • who believed in invisible sky deities, and that anyone who arbitrarily selects one of the many such books of crazed ancient writings to believe today shows themselves to be a silly person by doing so? How about instead of using silly standards written in those books that say dumb things like atheists can't do good, we instead use useful definitions of good that can be applicable in our daily life?Last edited by Jedidiah; 03-08-2017, 02:42 PM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Trout View PostStarlight has trouble staying on task I've noticed.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostScripture says that anything not done in faith is sin, that we should glorify God with all our acts, and that without faith it is impossible to please God. If God is the standard of goodness, and if He is the focus, and the decider of what is good or evil, then how could the atheist do anything truly good?
As presented, this question is extremely rhetorical.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by seer View PostScripture says that anything not done in faith is sin, that we should glorify God with all our acts, and that without faith it is impossible to please God. If God is the standard of goodness, and if He is the focus, and the decider of what is good or evil, then how could the atheist do anything truly good?
Romans talks about the laws written on the heart and that people know when they're doing good and evil based upon that standard.
So yes, I think that an atheist can do good - that is, the atheist can act according to the standard or against the standard of his heart.
However, that isn't the same thing as being righteous - which is a relational word.
The good an atheist can do is outside of a right relationship (righteousness) with God so the atheist does good and yet remains unrighteous.
The New Testament seems to make the point that law abiding (goodness) isn't the same and does not bring righteousness (right relationship with God).
So in my opinion an atheist can do good as long as you don't overload the term 'good' with 'right relationship with God'.Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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So you believe my apparent faith is a question of honesty?Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Here is the Christian paradox as I see it:
A Christian can do good and be righteous.
A Christian can do evil and be righteous.
An atheist can do good and cannot be righteous.
An atheist can do evil and cannot be righteous.
Again, just spit-ballin'.Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostI'm not buying this "scripture says" bit. Can you quote these?
Romans 14:23
But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.
Hebrews 1:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
1 Corinthians 10:31
So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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