Can The Atheist Do Good?

[Yttrium]

Yes, God can do good through the actions of even wicked men. I believe he can even do savational work through wicked men. That's part of the grandeur of God. He often flips expectations on their head.

That makes a bit more sense.

[JimL]

Yes, God can do good through the actions of even wicked men. I believe he can even do savational work through wicked men. That's part of the grandeur of God. He often flips expectations on their head.

Well, thats assuming that God is the agent in charge, but I don't think that answers the question that seer asked. His question has to do with the choices made by human beings, not the choices made by puppets.

[Tassman]

Amusing to see you shed every last pretense of decorum and dispassionate behavior that you were so anxious to see others commit to. Calling people dumbass, and idiot, and using tired anti-theist tropes like "bronze age morons" and "invisible sky fairy". I mean, not like any of us were fooled by your past pretense, but it's entertaining to see show your true colors after your moral grandstanding.

Apart from the colourful language what are you objecting to? Scripture does

[Adrift]

Well, thats assuming that God is the agent in charge, but I don't think that answers the question that seer asked. His question has to do with the choices made by human beings, not the choices made by puppets.

But that's what's so great about God! The living God is so powerful, so full of wisdom, that even without being puppets, God still has the capability to enact his good will through the unrighteous. Mankind just ain't that smart. Certainly not smart enough to outsmart the creator of the universe. Could you even imagine!!?

[Adrift]

Apart from the colourful language what are you objecting to?

Well that's easy. I'm objecting to his continued hypocrisy. "Do what I say, but don't do as I do." Of course, it doesn't surprise me in the least that you'd join him in his hypocrisy.

[JimL]

But that's what's so great about God! The living God is so powerful, so full of wisdom, that even without being puppets, God still has the capability to enact his good will through the unrighteous. Mankind just ain't that smart. Certainly not smart enough to outsmart the creator of the universe. Could you even imagine!!?

Sorry Adrift, your answer still has nothing to do with the question. Either the man is choosing to do good over evil, or god is pulling the strings, can't have it both ways.

[Tassman]

Well that's easy. I'm objecting to his continued hypocrisy. "Do what I say, but don't do as I do." Of course, it doesn't surprise me in the least that you'd join him in his hypocrisy.

His content is what's important, not the language in which he expressed it. And it wasn't so bad anyway compared to the offensive crap we get from some of the 'saved' on this site.

[seer]

His content is what's important, not the language in which he expressed it. And it wasn't so bad anyway compared to the offensive crap we get from some of the 'saved' on this site.

Let me ask you a simple question Tass, are you a good man?

[Adrift]

Sorry Adrift, your answer still has nothing to do with the question. Either the man is choosing to do good over evil, or god is pulling the strings, can't have it both ways.

Not at all. Again, God is so powerful, so mighty, that his good will can be accomplished without overtaking another person's will. In fact, I imagine that most of God's will is done despite people's own willful acts and motivations. That you can't conceive of such a thing without framing it as "pulling strings" simply demonstrates your lack of consideration.

[Trout]

In yoga philosophy if you activate the body force centers you can become more righteous because a healthy body leads to a healthy mind

Desirable socially acceptable behaviors are a product of thinking clearly

An atheist and both Christian can be normal I believe there's two types of people in the world children of God or children of Satan

The children of Satan will be in heaven those who said the sinners prayer and drove around with the Christian fish like it's fashionable that's why all the demons get sent straight to hell and the devil gets put on display for those to come and question is this who shook the nation's

God's kindness let the pseudo religious into heaven just because he's all loving but after a thousand years Satan will be unleashed and he'll clean up heaven taking back his children who are now flying under the Christian banner

That cleared everything up nicely. Thanks, Mose.

[Adrift]

His content is what's important, not the language in which he expressed it. And it wasn't so bad anyway compared to the offensive crap we get from some of the 'saved' on this site.

So you're just going to double-down on his "do as I say, but not as I do", and you're going to add to that a whiny "well they do it too!" Real mature Tassman. Wish I could say I expected better, but I didn't.

[Roy]

How about scripture is a bunch of idiocies, hallucinations, and lies written by largely uneducated morons in the bronze age...

The prevalence of this logical flaw has always puzzled me.

Me too. They may have been uneducated by our standards, and they definitely didn't have access to all the information resources we have today, but they were not idiots or morons or hallucinating.

[Meh Gerbil]

Me too. They may have been uneducated by our standards, and they definitely didn't have access to all the information resources we have today, but they were not idiots or morons or hallucinating.

Here is what blows me away.
Here we are all arrogant about our knowledge - but what will people 1,000 years from now think about us?

So the argument that the people in the past were stupid sounds good until we're the ones who are the denizens of the distant past.

[Roy]

Here is what blows me away.
Here we are all arrogant about our knowledge - but what will people 1,000 years from now think about us?

So the argument that the people in the past were stupid sounds good until we're the ones who are the denizens of the distant past.

Hopefully people 1000 years in the future will be intelligent and mature enough to appreciate the difference in information availability and avoid the above fallacy.

Though they may wonder why so many people today didn't take advantage of the available data and continued to support fallacious worldviews.

[Meh Gerbil]

Hopefully people 1000 years in the future will be intelligent and mature enough to appreciate the difference in information availability and avoid the above fallacy.
Though they may wonder why so many people today didn't take advantage of the available data and continued to support fallacies worldviews.

I like how you slipped a little backhand into that one.
I'll be keeping an eye on you, 'Roy'.