What was God doing?

[robrecht]

At least it is speculation based on observational evidence ...

I'm glad that you have accepted this. Just yesterday you said:

... Both scientists and theologians can only guess at what and how the, how our, universe of spacetime was caused. Its not something we have obsevational evidence of. ...

[JimL]

I'm glad that you have accepted this. Just yesterday you said:

You misunderstand, we have observational evidence as to how things work, how things come to be, we just don't have direct observational evidence of the same for the universe itself. We can speculate based on observational evidence, even if we don't have direct observation with regards to the universe itself.

[robrecht]

You misunderstand, we have observational evidence as to how things work, how things come to be, we just don't have direct observational evidence of the same for the universe itself. We can speculate based on observational evidence, even if we don't have direct observation with regards to the universe itself.

So do you still think that theoretical physicists are just guessing?

[JimL]

So do you still think that theoretical physicists are just guessing?

With respect to the origins of our universe, of course, when you don't Know the answer, then you are just guessing, but they are guessing based on their observations. As SoR put it, they don't just come to these conclusions, such as multi verse theory, willy nilly, they are derived of the science.

[robrecht]

With respect to the origins of our universe, of course, when you don't Know the answer, then you are just guessing, but they are guessing based on their observations. As SoR put it, they don't just come to these conclusions, such as multi verse theory, willy nilly, they are derived of the science.

Basing their speculative theories on observations and scientific foundations is not really guessing. It is not certain knowledge, of course, but it's not just guessing.

[shunyadragon]

At least it is speculation based on observational evidence, unlike the idea of god, which is speculation based on ignorance and fear.

I believe the word 'speculation' is being misused here and over used, thrown around like rotten tomato. Scientists fully realize the limits of the scientific methods of falsification concerning these methods. There is evidence applied to the process of falsification on the different models and hypothesis. Our universe is the model and the evidence from Quantum Mechanics for the possible formation of other universes in the multi-verse models. They are not guessing.

[JimL]

Basing their speculative theories on observations and scientific foundations is not really guessing. It is not certain knowledge, of course, but it's not just guessing.

Okay, but I think you get the point i was making.

[seer]

At least it is speculation based on observational evidence, unlike the idea of god, which is speculation based on ignorance and fear.

What "observational" evidence is there for a multiverse? And yes, the multiverse theory is also based on fear - fear that God might be at the end of the road.

To quote the well known atheist philosopher, Thomas Nagel

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The Last Word, Oxford University Press, 1997

[robrecht]

Okay, but I think you get the point i was making.

As long as its a different point than what you said. I now suppose all you meant was that no one observed the origin of this universe and therefore theoretical interpretations of the remaining evidence are just that, scientific theories. Something like that?

[JimL]

What "observational" evidence is there for a multiverse? And yes, the multiverse theory is also based on fear - fear that God might be at the end of the road.

Quantum Mechanics, Shroedingers equation, and the observed fact the nothing comes from nothing which is what creationism without evidence implies.

To quote the well known atheist philosopher, Thomas Nagel

First off Nagel says nothing about being in fear of god, he says he hopes there is no god, because he doesn't want the universe to be like that. I as an atheist have no fear that there may be a god, and I'm certainly not going to accept what I don't believe just because what I don't believe might possibly be true. Even if there were a god, the only thing to fear would be whether that god is himself were evil, you know, like a vengful, wrathful, murderous god, like Yaweh.

[Sea of red]

What "observational" evidence is there for a multiverse? And yes, the multiverse theory is also based on fear - fear that God might be at the end of the road.

To quote the well known atheist philosopher, Thomas Nagel

Yet the most well known Christian apologist let this cat out of the bag.

[Sea of red]

That is the point, no one knows. It is all speculation.

Who claimed otherwise?

[Tassman]

What "observational" evidence is there for a multiverse?

And yes, the multiverse theory is also based on fear - fear that God might be at the end of the road.

To quote the well known atheist philosopher, Thomas Nagel

More dishonest, selective quote-mining, seer.

Yes Tass, you are welcomed to your multiverse myth, never let it be said that I denied any man his faith...

What part of: , didn't you understand?

[Tassman]

Yet the most well known Christian apologist let this cat out of the bag.

So no evidence no matter how well supported is acceptable if it conflicts with the so-called "fundamental truth" deriving from Bronze Age mythology. Well this is certainly the way to halt the advance of knowledge and keep the faithful ignorant.

[seer]

More likely than not? Yet there is no observational evidence. The fact is Tass is that the atheist needs something like a multiverse or that horrible possibility of a God remains hanging over our heads.